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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5618634" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>It may not make much of a difference for your situation, but what you are playing is not a sandbox game. I'm sure people can start spouting "interpretations" of what a sandbox or a railroad game is, but minute details doesn't matter. </p><p></p><p>It's a railroad because things have to run a certain way for your story to play out the way you guys have written it. Just because you have not specified the details between the major scenarios doesn't mean it is a sandbox since you're doing your own stuff in-between. You are forcing the DM to not deviate from a certain "path" (aka railroad) in order for your characters to accomplish what you expect them to accomplish.</p><p></p><p>PCs can still do their own stuff in-between major scenarios in a railroad game. That doesn't make the game a sandbox just because they had free will during the non important events. They will still be railroaded by the DM to get to the important events. You guys are doing what you want during the in-betweens, but yer railroading the DM into making sure you still end up where you want to be. If it was a true sandbox game, there would be no expectations on what will be happening and you may even fail at your task because NPCs might get lucky and stop you "at this stage in the game". But you are making sure that the DM will not let that happen, which means it is not a sandbox game.</p><p></p><p>Maybe the DM was under the impression that he was running a sandbox game, which could be why he has done things off script. You just said in your last post that he thought his idea would be "a way to get you to not go here" and you are crying foul about that. But this is definitely a railroaded game; but railroaded by the players (which is actually interesting and something I never thought about happening). </p><p></p><p>As people have pointed out, this is a very mind boggling game to run. I think the best thing to make this game play out the way you expect is to just do what I mentioned before. Everyone sit around and write out the script on paper just as if you were writing a movie. Tell the DM that these are the things that need to happen and he can't deviate at all from the script. This includes making sure that any NPCs you encounter have no chance to thwart you in any way. Basically tell him that he is not there to DM, he's just there to control NPCs according to the script while you guys run the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 5618634, member: 18701"] It may not make much of a difference for your situation, but what you are playing is not a sandbox game. I'm sure people can start spouting "interpretations" of what a sandbox or a railroad game is, but minute details doesn't matter. It's a railroad because things have to run a certain way for your story to play out the way you guys have written it. Just because you have not specified the details between the major scenarios doesn't mean it is a sandbox since you're doing your own stuff in-between. You are forcing the DM to not deviate from a certain "path" (aka railroad) in order for your characters to accomplish what you expect them to accomplish. PCs can still do their own stuff in-between major scenarios in a railroad game. That doesn't make the game a sandbox just because they had free will during the non important events. They will still be railroaded by the DM to get to the important events. You guys are doing what you want during the in-betweens, but yer railroading the DM into making sure you still end up where you want to be. If it was a true sandbox game, there would be no expectations on what will be happening and you may even fail at your task because NPCs might get lucky and stop you "at this stage in the game". But you are making sure that the DM will not let that happen, which means it is not a sandbox game. Maybe the DM was under the impression that he was running a sandbox game, which could be why he has done things off script. You just said in your last post that he thought his idea would be "a way to get you to not go here" and you are crying foul about that. But this is definitely a railroaded game; but railroaded by the players (which is actually interesting and something I never thought about happening). As people have pointed out, this is a very mind boggling game to run. I think the best thing to make this game play out the way you expect is to just do what I mentioned before. Everyone sit around and write out the script on paper just as if you were writing a movie. Tell the DM that these are the things that need to happen and he can't deviate at all from the script. This includes making sure that any NPCs you encounter have no chance to thwart you in any way. Basically tell him that he is not there to DM, he's just there to control NPCs according to the script while you guys run the game. [/QUOTE]
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