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<blockquote data-quote="D'karr" data-source="post: 5199255" data-attributes="member: 336">I would disagree.&nbsp; I've been playing and running for quite a long time.&nbsp; I find that I've had more TPKs using 4e than any other edition before, combined.Yes the characters are hardier and appear tougher at those low levels than on previous editions but once you're in the &quot;unconcious and dying&quot; corner it boils down to two things, a lucky roll, or the assistance of another player.&nbsp; Never mind if your taking ongoing damage.&nbsp; If you can't make those death saves your dead.&nbsp; If you've missed a couple of saves and someone doesn't get to you to assist, you're dead.&nbsp; If your in the negatives and that ongoing damage keeps piling, you're dead.The long descent&nbsp; from zero to negative ten in previous editions was usually the only way to die, unless you got unlucky enough to be in the area of effect of another damaging attack.In 4e there might be a long road down to the &quot;unconscious and dying&quot; phase, but once you're there, there are many ways to die.&nbsp; Oh, and don't forget that those failed death saves don't reset until a rest.&nbsp; Go down into &quot;death's&quot; territory twice in an encounter and you start with those failed saves already in your account.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D'karr, post: 5199255, member: 336"] I would disagree. I've been playing and running for quite a long time. I find that I've had more TPKs using 4e than any other edition before, combined. Yes the characters are hardier and appear tougher at those low levels than on previous editions but once you're in the "unconcious and dying" corner it boils down to two things, a lucky roll, or the assistance of another player. Never mind if your taking ongoing damage. If you can't make those death saves your dead. If you've missed a couple of saves and someone doesn't get to you to assist, you're dead. If your in the negatives and that ongoing damage keeps piling, you're dead. The long descent from zero to negative ten in previous editions was usually the only way to die, unless you got unlucky enough to be in the area of effect of another damaging attack. In 4e there might be a long road down to the "unconscious and dying" phase, but once you're there, there are many ways to die. Oh, and don't forget that those failed death saves don't reset until a rest. Go down into "death's" territory twice in an encounter and you start with those failed saves already in your account. [/QUOTE]

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