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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 7415021" data-attributes="member: 1465">&quot;Can't see&quot; makes me think that you simply have no visual perception of your surroundings.In practice it means you can't move around safely, and you have to guess where everyone is. Maybe you can use other senses to help, but that probably means you have a chance to figure it out by hearing or by touch, but definitely it can't be automatic as with vision.I would expect this to mean that in combat you won't be able to know where everyone else is, after they move from the last place you've seen them. And while travelling or exploring, at the very minimum your pace will be limited, even assuming the rest of the party is leading you by hand.I can imagine that you could decide to interpret &quot;can't see&quot; not as total blindness, but as a milder condition such as &quot;can't see normally&quot;, as in having extreme miopia (near-sightedness), and thus impose no penalty on its own (so the only penalties are those disadvantages specifically mentioned). That's not what &quot;can't see&quot; tells me, however.That's different. You can see everything else around the invisible wizard. Only for targetting the wizard the two situations might be equivalent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 7415021, member: 1465"] "Can't see" makes me think that you simply have no visual perception of your surroundings. In practice it means you can't move around safely, and you have to guess where everyone is. Maybe you can use other senses to help, but that probably means you have a [I]chance[/I] to figure it out by hearing or by touch, but definitely it can't be automatic as with vision. I would expect this to mean that in combat you won't be able to know where everyone else is, after they move from the last place you've seen them. And while travelling or exploring, at the very minimum your pace will be limited, even assuming the rest of the party is leading you by hand. I can imagine that you could decide to interpret "can't see" not as total blindness, but as a milder condition such as "can't see normally", as in having extreme miopia (near-sightedness), and thus impose no penalty on its own (so the only penalties are those disadvantages specifically mentioned). That's not what "can't see" tells me, however. That's different. You can see everything else around the invisible wizard. Only for targetting the wizard the two situations might be equivalent. [/QUOTE]

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