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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6229242" data-attributes="member: 14506">2e also had weapon proficiencies, non-weapon proficiencies, and kits. 5e encompasses these under background and sub-class. 5e also has feats and/or stat boosts. Like I said before, players looking for the simple game would look no further than stat boosts. 8 class features and 12 stat boosts over all 20 levels, that is a lot simpler than they have right now.I think creating builds is now a major piece of D&D, whether old timers like me like it or not. If the rug was pulled out, I think many would not see the game as something they would want to play and continue on with PF, 3.x or 4e even. Character customization should not be eschewed as a bug. That only fixes 1/2 the problem. You still wind up with a bunch of class features that are fiddly for players not interested in that.One other aspect to class features and feats is multi-classing. Right now if you think there is a neat fiddly ability that is only attainable as a Class X at Level X you have to multi-class to get it, even though that ability may have only been placed there to fill in an empty level for the character class and could be a neat ability for more than just that one class. To me class features should be more than just a neat ability that gets arbitrarily assigned to a class, it has to really be tied to the concept of that class. Spell casting, spell book, divine channeling, sneak attack/backstab, rage, etc. everything else is fluff.</blockquote>

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