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<blockquote data-quote="Panda-s1" data-source="post: 7929206" data-attributes="member: 59554">look maybe it'll be impossible to convince you, but not every method of communication is language. sometimes we codify language (such as writing like we are now), sometimes we find a way to digitize sounds and turn them back into audio. we sometimes call things languages because they come close to what we use as language, like computer and machine languages. but human languages, the ones we speak or sign, are their own distinct method of communication.your friend's husband also knows Japanese. he might struggle with his English, and you might need someone to help you talk to him, but it's not at all hard to presume that eventually he can be fluent in English and you won't need an interpreter to talk to him. this isn't the case with these chimps, and their caretakers seem pretty cagey about letting other researchers try and communicate with them.OKAY now you're toeing the line. I have never said any human isn't capable of using language (with the exception of extreme cases). do not compare the inability of animals using language to actual human beings using language that you personally do not approve of. Australian English speakers and AAVE speakers have no trouble talking to each other. you also can't call facebook comments &quot;unintelligible gibberish&quot; just because you don't like what people say.I didn't ask if he can communicate he needs to go out, I asked if he can specifically communicate why he needs to go out. but I guess it's clear you're not interested in having a serious discussion either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Panda-s1, post: 7929206, member: 59554"] look maybe it'll be impossible to convince you, but not every method of communication is language. sometimes we codify language (such as writing like we are now), sometimes we find a way to digitize sounds and turn them back into audio. we sometimes call things languages because they come close to what we use as language, like computer and machine languages. but human languages, the ones we speak or sign, are their own distinct method of communication. your friend's husband also knows Japanese. he might struggle with his English, and you might need someone to help you talk to him, but it's not at all hard to presume that eventually he can be fluent in English and you won't need an interpreter to talk to him. this isn't the case with these chimps, and their caretakers seem pretty cagey about letting other researchers try and communicate with them. OKAY now you're toeing the line. I have [I]never [/I]said any human isn't capable of using language (with the exception of extreme cases). [I]do not[/I] compare the inability of animals using language to actual human beings using language that you personally do not approve of. Australian English speakers and AAVE speakers have no trouble talking to each other. you also can't call facebook comments "unintelligible gibberish" just because you don't like what people say. I didn't ask if he can communicate he needs to go out, I asked if he can specifically communicate why he needs to go out. but I guess it's clear you're not interested in having a serious discussion either. [/QUOTE]

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