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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6630446" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I think what is happening here between the two of you is a product of two agendas that find themselves butting heads in D&amp;D.&nbsp; Agenda 1:&nbsp; The play procedure of action declaration and resolution (mechanical and the fallout within the fiction) is solely about testing the proficiency of the hero to succeed or fail at a physical task.&nbsp; The intent is micro-based and not particularly difficult to discern; eg &quot;I try to jump across the gap from this rooftop to that rooftop&quot; while in the midst of evading pursuit.&nbsp; The question isn't whether I evade the pursuit.&nbsp; It is whether I am proficient enough to the jump across the gap.&nbsp; &quot;What happens next&quot; is left up to the GM to decide.Agenda 2:&nbsp; The play procedure of action declaration and resolution (mechanical and the fallout within the fiction) is about testing the hero's protagonism in a high-stakes conflict..&nbsp; The intent is macro-based and requires telegraphing of said intent and clarity on both it and the stakes involved.&nbsp; Rather than &quot;can I clear this distance with my jump&quot;, what is important is &quot;the evasion of pursuit&quot;.&nbsp; Intent, stakes and the measure of the PC's protagonism orbit around that premise.&nbsp; Failing in &quot;a rooftop jump&quot; may or may not yield a complication related to clearing the distance to make the leap.&nbsp; What it will yield, for certain, is a complication (or, depending on the system, possibly a decisive answer in the negative...eg &quot;you're no longer evading pursuit...you're caught up with/cornered, etc&quot;) related to the question of &quot;does this hero possess the protagonistic mettle to evade this particular pursuit?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6630446, member: 6696971"] I think what is happening here between the two of you is a product of two agendas that find themselves butting heads in D&D. Agenda 1: The play procedure of action declaration and resolution (mechanical and the fallout within the fiction) is solely about [B][I]testing the proficiency of the hero to succeed or fail at a physical task[/I][/B]. The intent is micro-based and not particularly difficult to discern; eg "I try to jump across the gap from this rooftop to that rooftop" while in the midst of evading pursuit. The question isn't whether I evade the pursuit. It is whether I am proficient enough to the jump across the gap. "What happens next" is left up to the GM to decide. Agenda 2: The play procedure of action declaration and resolution (mechanical and the fallout within the fiction) is about [B][I]testing the hero's protagonism in a high-stakes conflict.[/I][/B]. The intent is macro-based and requires telegraphing of said intent and clarity on both it and the stakes involved. Rather than "can I clear this distance with my jump", what is important is "the evasion of pursuit". Intent, stakes and the measure of the PC's protagonism orbit around that premise. Failing in "a rooftop jump" may or may not yield a complication related to clearing the distance to make the leap. What it will yield, for certain, is a complication (or, depending on the system, possibly a decisive answer in the negative...eg "you're no longer evading pursuit...you're caught up with/cornered, etc") related to the question of "does this hero possess the protagonistic mettle to evade this particular pursuit?" [/QUOTE]

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