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<blockquote data-quote="krupintupple" data-source="post: 5343577" data-attributes="member: 58300">i hate to rain on your parade, but the swarm-shifter's LA is &quot;--&quot;, meaning nonexistent. it' does however raise a CR by +1, but it effectively has no LA. my interpretations of templates that have no LA indicates that they are effectively &quot;beyond normal PC use&quot;, but your mileage may vary. if your DM is alright with it, then i'd say go ahead. however, since you're set on becoming undead, you really really want to steer clear of good clerics with beads of karma and the sun domain. also, while in a swarm, you'll get creamed if you get hit by an area attack, blast or burst!anyhow, more to the point - if you were going the incantation route, it'd be a fairly high DC, if you went the spell route, it'd probably be epic, or at least 8th. i believe there's a 9th level spell in the spell-compendium that permanently gives you the half-fiend template, but it's really expensive and the highest non-epic level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="krupintupple, post: 5343577, member: 58300"] i hate to rain on your parade, but the swarm-shifter's LA is "--", meaning nonexistent. it' does however raise a CR by +1, but it effectively has no LA. my interpretations of templates that have no LA indicates that they are effectively "beyond normal PC use", but your mileage may vary. if your DM is alright with it, then i'd say go ahead. however, since you're set on becoming undead, you really really want to steer clear of good clerics with beads of karma and the sun domain. also, while in a swarm, you'll get creamed if you get hit by an area attack, blast or burst! anyhow, more to the point - if you were going the incantation route, it'd be a fairly high DC, if you went the spell route, it'd probably be epic, or at least 8th. i believe there's a 9th level spell in the spell-compendium that permanently gives you the half-fiend template, but it's really expensive and the highest non-epic level. [/QUOTE]

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