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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fba827" data-source="post: 5051096" data-attributes="member: 807">the minions should not try and attack the PCs, but rather once the minions see that they are missing (or the boss sees that they are all mission), they should be using "aid another" to give their bosses a better chance to hit as well as to move in to flanking position to likewise increase their bosses chance to hit.Also aura damage and zone damage (though if the PCs are still very low level, there are fewer monsters that have auras and zones)Terrain hazards and traps. -- things that force them to a) worry about something else and make the scene more dynamic (don't know ifyou're already doing this, but mentioning it just in case), b) the hazards can end up hurting/slowing/etc you c)There is nothing wrong with attacking their lowest defenses if you are mixing up which defenses get attacked so that it isn't obvious that you're zooming in on that set of defenses.  So, yeah, they'll get some attacks against their impenetrable Fort and also some against their weaker Reflex (of whatever), etc.Ongoing damage -- if you can get hits in that inflict ongoing damage, then they just need to get hit once before they have to rely on saves rather than defenses to avoid the pain.End the campaign and start a new one -- while a last resort, it is an option none the less.  There is nothing wrong with them playing what they want to play, but if you're not able to find a way to have fun yourself, then it needs to be changed.   Just be careful about how you set up the next campaign or else you'll end up in a party of 5 clerics (or something) and that'll be just as annoying if not worse...i'm sure there are other ways but that's all i could think of off the top of my head..of course, ,what works for you and your particular mix of players may be different than what i'm imagining... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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