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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7610748" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Cantrips are fine they deal less damage than say attacks. The few classes that get ability score to damage on cantrips get it at higher level or give up spellcasting power to do it. Eg Warlock.</p><p></p><p> A Warlord with 4E type powers for example should be competitive over say a cleric. It doesn't have to use magic for example.</p><p></p><p> Clerics don't deal that much damage with their weapons they are a primary spellcaster. A Warords damage would be similar to the highest damage of the best member of the party. </p><p></p><p> The Battlemaster version is more for versatility. A strength based fighter sucks for damage so giving an attack to an archer makes sense.</p><p></p><p> A Warlord can't really deal fighter level damage, and you have that with the Battlemaster. The BM is one third Warlord.</p><p></p><p> However if you make full warlord that can grant attacks you're not giving up that much combat ability. A Rogue at level 11 deals similar damage to a fighter.</p><p></p><p> If a Warlord can grant at will attacks your now dealing fighter level damage via rogue but still are 100% Warlord. </p><p></p><p> If you cloned 4E using 5E rules you could rewrite the Rogue class to be more in line with it's 4E incarnation. </p><p></p><p> In 4E terms it's striker level damage on a leader class. That's the problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7610748, member: 6716779"] Cantrips are fine they deal less damage than say attacks. The few classes that get ability score to damage on cantrips get it at higher level or give up spellcasting power to do it. Eg Warlock. A Warlord with 4E type powers for example should be competitive over say a cleric. It doesn't have to use magic for example. Clerics don't deal that much damage with their weapons they are a primary spellcaster. A Warords damage would be similar to the highest damage of the best member of the party. The Battlemaster version is more for versatility. A strength based fighter sucks for damage so giving an attack to an archer makes sense. A Warlord can't really deal fighter level damage, and you have that with the Battlemaster. The BM is one third Warlord. However if you make full warlord that can grant attacks you're not giving up that much combat ability. A Rogue at level 11 deals similar damage to a fighter. If a Warlord can grant at will attacks your now dealing fighter level damage via rogue but still are 100% Warlord. If you cloned 4E using 5E rules you could rewrite the Rogue class to be more in line with it's 4E incarnation. In 4E terms it's striker level damage on a leader class. That's the problem. [/QUOTE]
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