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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7612199" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>There /wasn't/ a class for every source/role pair. There was, for one instance, no Martial Controller. There was also no … er … well, there was no Martial Controller.</p><p></p><p>Let me try that again: There wasn't /a/ class for every source/role pair. There were /two/ Martial Strikers, /two/ Arcane Strikers, /two/ Arcane Leaders, /two/ Primal Controllers, and /two/ Divine Leaders... and that's before getting into E+ sub-classes with mixed sources and/or alternate roles, like Ranger(Hunter), Warlock(Binder), Druid(Sentinel), etc...</p><p></p><p>...yeah, that held up better. Though, it also drove home that there was class (or at least sub-class) bloat. </p><p></p><p></p><p>...OK, to be fair, Shadow & Elemental also weren't proper Sources.</p><p></p><p> There were a lot shared in 1e, too. And, they were all /spells/, no distinction between spells/prayers/invocation. </p><p></p><p>I do think it'd've been a cool evolution of 4e if powers had been by Source, and Features had been by Role, with class being primarily conceptual, or perhaps about role in other pillars. So a Ranger is a guy who runs around in the woods, he is /probably/ using Martial powers, and may well pick a Striker Feature, but Controller or Defender is hardly out of the question - Primal powers might be on the table, too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7612199, member: 996"] There /wasn't/ a class for every source/role pair. There was, for one instance, no Martial Controller. There was also no … er … well, there was no Martial Controller. Let me try that again: There wasn't /a/ class for every source/role pair. There were /two/ Martial Strikers, /two/ Arcane Strikers, /two/ Arcane Leaders, /two/ Primal Controllers, and /two/ Divine Leaders... and that's before getting into E+ sub-classes with mixed sources and/or alternate roles, like Ranger(Hunter), Warlock(Binder), Druid(Sentinel), etc... ...yeah, that held up better. Though, it also drove home that there was class (or at least sub-class) bloat. ...OK, to be fair, Shadow & Elemental also weren't proper Sources. There were a lot shared in 1e, too. And, they were all /spells/, no distinction between spells/prayers/invocation. I do think it'd've been a cool evolution of 4e if powers had been by Source, and Features had been by Role, with class being primarily conceptual, or perhaps about role in other pillars. So a Ranger is a guy who runs around in the woods, he is /probably/ using Martial powers, and may well pick a Striker Feature, but Controller or Defender is hardly out of the question - Primal powers might be on the table, too. [/QUOTE]
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