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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7615624" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>@<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=996" target="_blank">Tony Vargas</a></u></strong></em>, @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6716779" target="_blank">Zardnaar</a></u></strong></em></p><p></p><p>5e long rest grants complete healing PLUS hitdice. What if a long rest only gives hitdice? Thus someone who is fresh (unbloodied) can spend hitdice in the form of second-winds. But someone who is injured or exhausted must spend the hitdice immediately to recover, thus is more vulnerable to further damage from future battles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=996" target="_blank">Tony Vargas</a></u></strong></em>, @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=82504" target="_blank">Garthanos</a></u></strong></em>, and others</p><p></p><p>Personally, I love the 5e proficiency bonus, and feel it more than adequately addresses the 4e half-level bonus.</p><p></p><p><strong>Student Tier</strong></p><p>Levels 1-4 (Proficiency +2)</p><p></p><p><strong>Heroic Tier</strong></p><p>Levels 5-12 (Proficiency +3, +4)</p><p></p><p><strong>Paragon Tier</strong></p><p>Levels 13-20 (Proficiency +5, +6)</p><p></p><p><strong>Epic Tier</strong></p><p>Levels 21-24 (Proficiency +7, also allows ability scores to improve beyond 20)</p><p></p><p>Moreover the Epic Tier can come with an Epic Destiny, becoming ‘Immortal’ by various methods.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>5e feats include certain ones that are a ‘half feat’ plus a +1 ability score improvement. It is easy to equate smaller 5e feats as one or two half feats. I consider 4 skill proficiencies to be worth one half feat. Minor traits like Elf Trance are worth one skill proficiency. In some settings, languages matter, and if so, they might be worth a skill proficiency. Together light and medium armors proficiency equals 1 skill, and heavy armor prerequiring light and medium armor, is worth an other skill. A cantrip seems worth two skills, or something like that. Anyway, 5e makes it easy to calibrate and balance 4e-style feats as ‘half feats’.</p><p></p><p>Regarding background, I am open to the suggestion that like a 4e Theme, it might add a thematic half feat. Backgrounds also work well to elaborate various facets of a subrace. I would like to see ‘Background feats’ become allocated at every certain number of levels while leveling. The high-level Background feats can grant access to the more powerful capabilities of particular subrace or player-character monster, including flight, invisibility, or so on.</p><p></p><p>I am especially fond of swapping race traits and class features and, if any, background feats or half feats. Such swaps help retain balance while also allowing players more customization.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7615624, member: 58172"] @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=996"]Tony Vargas[/URL][/U][/B][/I], @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6716779"]Zardnaar[/URL][/U][/B][/I] 5e long rest grants complete healing PLUS hitdice. What if a long rest only gives hitdice? Thus someone who is fresh (unbloodied) can spend hitdice in the form of second-winds. But someone who is injured or exhausted must spend the hitdice immediately to recover, thus is more vulnerable to further damage from future battles. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=996"]Tony Vargas[/URL][/U][/B][/I], @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=82504"]Garthanos[/URL][/U][/B][/I], and others Personally, I love the 5e proficiency bonus, and feel it more than adequately addresses the 4e half-level bonus. [B]Student Tier[/B] Levels 1-4 (Proficiency +2) [B]Heroic Tier[/B] Levels 5-12 (Proficiency +3, +4) [B]Paragon Tier[/B] Levels 13-20 (Proficiency +5, +6) [B]Epic Tier[/B] Levels 21-24 (Proficiency +7, also allows ability scores to improve beyond 20) Moreover the Epic Tier can come with an Epic Destiny, becoming ‘Immortal’ by various methods. 5e feats include certain ones that are a ‘half feat’ plus a +1 ability score improvement. It is easy to equate smaller 5e feats as one or two half feats. I consider 4 skill proficiencies to be worth one half feat. Minor traits like Elf Trance are worth one skill proficiency. In some settings, languages matter, and if so, they might be worth a skill proficiency. Together light and medium armors proficiency equals 1 skill, and heavy armor prerequiring light and medium armor, is worth an other skill. A cantrip seems worth two skills, or something like that. Anyway, 5e makes it easy to calibrate and balance 4e-style feats as ‘half feats’. Regarding background, I am open to the suggestion that like a 4e Theme, it might add a thematic half feat. Backgrounds also work well to elaborate various facets of a subrace. I would like to see ‘Background feats’ become allocated at every certain number of levels while leveling. The high-level Background feats can grant access to the more powerful capabilities of particular subrace or player-character monster, including flight, invisibility, or so on. I am especially fond of swapping race traits and class features and, if any, background feats or half feats. Such swaps help retain balance while also allowing players more customization. [/QUOTE]
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