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<blockquote data-quote="Shade" data-source="post: 1237903" data-attributes="member: 287">I looked over the sources you cited, and still see no reference to a formula.&nbsp;&nbsp; The closest I found was in the Making Monsters chapter of the Monster Manual 3.5:&quot;Saving Throws and Target CR: In general, a creature's good saving throw bonus should be around (target CR x 1.5), while its poor saving throws should be roughly equal to its target CR. For example, if you are designing a CR 6 monster, a good saving throw bonus of +9 and poor save bonus of +6 should give the monster a decent chance to save against the player characters' attacks without making their attacks ineffectual.&quot;Otherwise, all the information seems to point towards the tables in the Player's Handbook.Once again, I'm not disagreeing with your method, only that I don't feel it was properly shared by WOTC.&nbsp;&nbsp; They have made improvements by actually including a &quot;Making Monsters&quot; section in the 3.5 Monster Manual, but they still have a long way to go with helping Joe User make his own monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shade, post: 1237903, member: 287"] I looked over the sources you cited, and still see no reference to a formula. The closest I found was in the Making Monsters chapter of the Monster Manual 3.5: "Saving Throws and Target CR: In general, a creature's good saving throw bonus should be around (target CR x 1.5), while its poor saving throws should be roughly equal to its target CR. For example, if you are designing a CR 6 monster, a good saving throw bonus of +9 and poor save bonus of +6 should give the monster a decent chance to save against the player characters' attacks without making their attacks ineffectual." Otherwise, all the information seems to point towards the tables in the Player's Handbook. Once again, I'm not disagreeing with your method, only that I don't feel it was properly shared by WOTC. They have made improvements by actually including a "Making Monsters" section in the 3.5 Monster Manual, but they still have a long way to go with helping Joe User make his own monsters. [/QUOTE]

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