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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 7832201" data-attributes="member: 6687260"><p>It wasn't even clear how Half-elves could be bards.</p><p>I mean it specifically says they can but once you try and work out how it works you run into trouble.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Yeah here it is.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]"Bards begin play as Fighters and they must remain <em>exclusively</em> fighters until they have achieved at least the 5th level of experience." Then it says they must change their class to thieves before they hit 8th level. Then they have to change to druid (but are also bards).</p><p></p><p>So, even though it says Half-elves can be bards it seems to imply that bards can only be achieved by dual classing which is exclusively the province of humans.</p><p></p><p>Of course dual classing requires higher stats - 17 in the class you are changing into. So you'd need two 17s and 2 15s and a 12 and 10.</p><p></p><p>But of course Half-Elves can't dual class - so perhaps we don't use the rules for dual classing here - perhaps there is a special rule here that applies under the vague intention of someday being a bard. (I don't know what happens if you change your mind).</p><p></p><p>And of course the rest of the party has to drag you along while you're doing the whole dual class thing of now using your higher level abilities - multiple times.</p><p></p><p>It often seemed, with a lot of AD&D rules material, that the designers were so used to their own house rules that they'd frequently seem to forget how the published rules were actually supposed to work.[/SPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 7832201, member: 6687260"] It wasn't even clear how Half-elves could be bards. I mean it specifically says they can but once you try and work out how it works you run into trouble. Edit: Yeah here it is. [SPOILER]"Bards begin play as Fighters and they must remain [I]exclusively[/I] fighters until they have achieved at least the 5th level of experience." Then it says they must change their class to thieves before they hit 8th level. Then they have to change to druid (but are also bards). So, even though it says Half-elves can be bards it seems to imply that bards can only be achieved by dual classing which is exclusively the province of humans. Of course dual classing requires higher stats - 17 in the class you are changing into. So you'd need two 17s and 2 15s and a 12 and 10. But of course Half-Elves can't dual class - so perhaps we don't use the rules for dual classing here - perhaps there is a special rule here that applies under the vague intention of someday being a bard. (I don't know what happens if you change your mind). And of course the rest of the party has to drag you along while you're doing the whole dual class thing of now using your higher level abilities - multiple times. It often seemed, with a lot of AD&D rules material, that the designers were so used to their own house rules that they'd frequently seem to forget how the published rules were actually supposed to work.[/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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