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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8934894" data-attributes="member: 2209">Right but 5e is far superior for being a fighter face than 3e/3.5 where a fighter not only has no charisma class abilities, but also is knee-capped with the cross-class skill limit of two for one cost on the skill and half level cap on ranks, not to mention the two skill points per level class allotment.4e with the optional backgrounds could be similar to 5e, but even there they comparatively lose on the open ended 4e stats compared to 5e bound accuracy. A 4e fighter either spends their stat adjustments on charisma and falls more behind on being a fighter or spends them on fighter stats and falls comparatively more behind on face skills as levels advance.If you want to go truly competitive face fighter you want an older skill less D&amp;D rule set where social interactions are roleplayed out (except maybe henchmen hiring mechanics and/or optional charisma reaction adjustments).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8934894, member: 2209"] Right but 5e is far superior for being a fighter face than 3e/3.5 where a fighter not only has no charisma class abilities, but also is knee-capped with the cross-class skill limit of two for one cost on the skill and half level cap on ranks, not to mention the two skill points per level class allotment. 4e with the optional backgrounds could be similar to 5e, but even there they comparatively lose on the open ended 4e stats compared to 5e bound accuracy. A 4e fighter either spends their stat adjustments on charisma and falls more behind on being a fighter or spends them on fighter stats and falls comparatively more behind on face skills as levels advance. If you want to go truly competitive face fighter you want an older skill less D&D rule set where social interactions are roleplayed out (except maybe henchmen hiring mechanics and/or optional charisma reaction adjustments). [/QUOTE]

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