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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 8937099" data-attributes="member: 19675">Skimming over this thread…It’s possible to be a role player, making decisions like the character would and so forth…and still be bad at it.  Designing a PC from the backstory up and immersively role-playing the PC doesn’t necessarily mean the player is “self-sabotaging”.Some of the stated examples seem to me to be examples of that.  A character who is only slightly above average should realize- if his Wis & Int scores aren’t abysmal- that ranged combat isn’t his forte.  A high Int & Wis fighter should excel at seeking and finding tactical advantages over his foes.  I’ve played high Str/modest Dex rogues…as fighter-ish THUGS who prefer “fighting dirty” and move on the battlefield so as to line up devastating “cheap shots”.  A Paladin who learned to use Thieves’ Tools might restrict their use to “exigent circumstances”, but shouldn’t even carry them if they’re eschewing their future use EVER- that’s carrying around temptation AND probable cause for arrest.So I agree that the person described in the opening post is self-sabotaging.  But it’s not a consequence of their character design methodology or their desire to roleplay.  Instead, it seems as if the player is intent on playing their PC contrary to certain mechanical elements they chose to use building the characters.And that’s an excellent way to make a non-optimized but viable PC into a Royal PITA and alienate your fellow gamers.</blockquote>

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