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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8937260" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Yeah sorry, I'm not sure when I started using those abbreviations to write down my abilities on my character sheet, so I sometimes forget that not everyone might know my shorthand.Whether or not a Thief actually needs to roll those to successfully sneak attack is murky, but since the DMG does say anyone aware of you can foil the attempt, it always seemed best to prevent an enemy from using their normal means of detecting something moving up from behind.  If, as in your example, the Thief manages to get to a place where they can't be seen, and they would be out of their direct line of sight to move up behind them, and they are engaged in a melee so they might not hear you, that should probably work, but that's still not something you can always rely on.At least until you can get invisibility somehow and things get a lot easier.</blockquote>