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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 308344" data-attributes="member: 5868">Devil's AdvocateOK, for all of you who think the LoTR characters should be upper-teens/epic levels --- justify that based on demonstrated acts in the books.&nbsp; Just because you *think* the character should be mega-levels, doesn't mean that the character has to be.&nbsp; What is the lowest level the character has to be to accomplish what is done in the books?Legolas -- Probably has Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Far Shot, maybe rapid shot. -- 4th Level Fighter.Gimli -- Hmm.&nbsp; Swings a battle axe well.&nbsp; Beheads orcs occasiionally (=CR 1/4 D&amp;D goblins).&nbsp; Power attack, cleave, endurance.&nbsp; 3rd Level Fighter.Gandalf -- So what if he's Maiar?&nbsp; He was sent back in human form.&nbsp; What spells can he cast?&nbsp; Hmmm -- daylight, dancing lights, knock, arcane lock, maybe a dispel magic -- 5th level wizard (or maybe slightly higher level sorcerer, since he never uses a spell book).Aragorn -- Mmm.&nbsp; Know how to use a sword.&nbsp; Can identify herbs, and help cure the sick.&nbsp; 4th level Ranger, with skill ranks in Wilderness Lore and Heal.Sauron -- has to be able to Forge Ring with ethereal jaunt capability, at the height of his power.&nbsp; Arguably the most powerful being in Middle Earth.&nbsp; 13th level Wizard.The magic items I see as similarly low powered:Sting: +1 keen shortswordGlamdring: +2 orc-bane longswordAnduril: +3 flaming longswordThe One Ring: Cursed Ring of Ethereal Jaunt.&nbsp; Bearer must make a will save once per decade or lose one point of Con.&nbsp; Reduction to 0 Con turns the bearer into a wraith under the control of the maker of the ring.You can make everyone in Middle Earth uber-powerful, then nerf the rules system to explain why all the high-level D&amp;D effects aren't present -- or you can scale everything back to match the effects that are demonstrated. I prefer the latter.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 308344, member: 5868"] [b]Devil's Advocate[/b] OK, for all of you who think the LoTR characters should be upper-teens/epic levels --- justify that based on demonstrated acts in the books. Just because you *think* the character should be mega-levels, doesn't mean that the character has to be. What is the [b]lowest[/b] level the character has to be to accomplish what is done in the books? Legolas -- Probably has Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Far Shot, [i]maybe[/i] rapid shot. -- 4th Level Fighter. Gimli -- Hmm. Swings a battle axe well. Beheads orcs occasiionally (=CR 1/4 D&D goblins). Power attack, cleave, endurance. 3rd Level Fighter. Gandalf -- So what if he's Maiar? He was sent back in human form. What spells can he cast? Hmmm -- [i]daylight, dancing lights, knock, arcane lock, maybe a dispel magic[/i] -- 5th level wizard (or maybe slightly higher level sorcerer, since he never uses a spell book). Aragorn -- Mmm. Know how to use a sword. Can identify herbs, and help cure the sick. 4th level Ranger, with skill ranks in Wilderness Lore and Heal. Sauron -- has to be able to Forge Ring with [i]ethereal jaunt[/i] capability, at the height of his power. Arguably the most powerful being in Middle Earth. 13th level Wizard. The magic items I see as similarly low powered: Sting: +1 keen shortsword Glamdring: +2 orc-bane longsword Anduril: +3 flaming longsword The One Ring: Cursed Ring of Ethereal Jaunt. Bearer must make a will save once per decade or lose one point of Con. Reduction to 0 Con turns the bearer into a wraith under the control of the maker of the ring. You can make everyone in Middle Earth uber-powerful, then nerf the rules system to explain why all the high-level D&D effects aren't present -- or you can scale everything back to match the effects that are demonstrated. I prefer the latter. :D [/QUOTE]

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