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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 310064" data-attributes="member: 363">Don't get too comfortable, though - I think I can dig up some quotes to support Gandalf being high level.Again, emphasis mine.Now, I know all this can be interpreted an infinite number of ways, but it looks like Gandalf broke out the Sunbeam spell finally. To use Sunbeam, a 7th level spell, he'd have to be 13 level. This passage also shows how such magic was used sparingly, in the face of the campaign's great enemies.Maybe it was his staff, but Wall of Flame still seems pretty powerful and flashy to me.More, from Gandalf:SPOILERS, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS! Especially The Two Towers!Emphasis mine once again.I gues all this could be interpreted in a low-level context, but it all is rather flashy - the "fire seeds" type spells he used in the Hobbit are also kind of flashy. His fireworks are also fairly powerful illusions.I also thought of some really "flashy" magic from LotR, the books:- Sauron's creation of that huge black cloud that blotted out the sun just before the Battle of Pelennor Fields. No matter how you cut it, that's a high level, probably epic spell - getting a volcano or volcanoes to erupt all at once for your convenience is pretty tough. And that's without the Ring!- Galadriel's creation of the mist that protected/obscured Lorien. Sure her Ring probably did a lot of it, but it's still a powerful effect. Besides, all the Rings seemed to enhance abilities the wearer already had.- Galadriel's casting down of the walls of Dol Guldur, and laying open of its pits. Powerful magic, no matter how you look at it.- Elrond's hiding of Rivendell, and his control of the Bruinen River. Again, his Ring was a big part of it, but see what I said about Galadriel. Plus, Gandalf used another illusion, this time of watery horses and riders, which shows his firework illusions may not have all been his Ring's (Narya, the Ring of Fire) doing.</blockquote>

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