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How to design a Greek hoplite?
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<blockquote data-quote="Thikket" data-source="post: 3484639" data-attributes="member: 13333"><p>I humbly disagree on all accounts.</p><p></p><p>I believe a longspear used with one hand absolutely makes sense conceptually -- and historically -- given the length of spears the hoplites actually used. Going from my extremely scientific perusal of the 3.5e PHB weapon chart on page 115, a longspear looks to be a few feet taller than the wielder (I'm basing this off the assumption that the quarterstaff on the same page should go up to armpit-height). This seems to fit perfectly with the spears actually used by the ancient Greeks. Honestly, I would not even require an additional feat if a fighter asked to use a spear in this way, since it seems completely appropriate.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore -- it does match things in the rules, as <strong>blargney the second</strong> already pointed out. The trident is a one-handed weapon with 10' reach. EDIT: This is false. See below.</p><p></p><p>I don't believe an "uh, no" is in order for such a minor request like this one... The longspear is hardly game-breaking, nor do I believe this usage is hard to imagine.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, here's another vote to just use a trident and describe it however the player wants. If I removed two of the three prongs from a trident, I'd say it does the same damage and retains the same reach! In my view, players should certainly not be penalized (by the precious opportunity cost of feats, in this case) for taking a substandard choice that promotes the character rather than the mechanics behind him or her. That seems backwards: "I fail to optimize, and I'm weakened for it."</p><p></p><p></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Edit: Shut me up and call me stupid! The trident is totally not a reach weapon; for some reason my mind decided to equate "10' range" (ie, thrown range increment) with reach. Silly mind.</em></p><p><em>On the other points addressed here, I have not yet been shown to be foolish... As far as I know (and I may be proved wrong once again!), the Greek soldier obviously benefitted from that very large shield while wielding that spear simultaneously, even in solo combat. </em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thikket, post: 3484639, member: 13333"] I humbly disagree on all accounts. I believe a longspear used with one hand absolutely makes sense conceptually -- and historically -- given the length of spears the hoplites actually used. Going from my extremely scientific perusal of the 3.5e PHB weapon chart on page 115, a longspear looks to be a few feet taller than the wielder (I'm basing this off the assumption that the quarterstaff on the same page should go up to armpit-height). This seems to fit perfectly with the spears actually used by the ancient Greeks. Honestly, I would not even require an additional feat if a fighter asked to use a spear in this way, since it seems completely appropriate. Furthermore -- it does match things in the rules, as [b]blargney the second[/b] already pointed out. The trident is a one-handed weapon with 10' reach. EDIT: This is false. See below. I don't believe an "uh, no" is in order for such a minor request like this one... The longspear is hardly game-breaking, nor do I believe this usage is hard to imagine. Anyway, here's another vote to just use a trident and describe it however the player wants. If I removed two of the three prongs from a trident, I'd say it does the same damage and retains the same reach! In my view, players should certainly not be penalized (by the precious opportunity cost of feats, in this case) for taking a substandard choice that promotes the character rather than the mechanics behind him or her. That seems backwards: "I fail to optimize, and I'm weakened for it." [I] Edit: Shut me up and call me stupid! The trident is totally not a reach weapon; for some reason my mind decided to equate "10' range" (ie, thrown range increment) with reach. Silly mind. On the other points addressed here, I have not yet been shown to be foolish... As far as I know (and I may be proved wrong once again!), the Greek soldier obviously benefitted from that very large shield while wielding that spear simultaneously, even in solo combat. [/I] [/QUOTE]
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