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How to Fix a Slavery situation without murder? (Solved!)
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<blockquote data-quote="John Morrow" data-source="post: 2017287" data-attributes="member: 27012"><p>Why doesn't your character Detect Alignment before killing? Or identify only those characters responsible for the abuse for killing?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would think that the "Chaotic" half of "Chaotic Good" would consider slavery as much of an offense as murder, given that slavery is as much of an offense against the Chaotic part of the alignment as murder is to the Good part of the alignment. Read not only the "Chaotic Good" but also the "Chaotic Neutral" alignment descriptions, as well as the bit on what "Chaos" means.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you can free the slaves without killing the slavers, you can do that. Why? Because you only have to free the slaves. What about preventing the slavers from harming other people?</p><p></p><p>The question you need to ask yourself is whether killing the slavers (or doing anything else to them) will really accomplish that goal. Will killing these slavers really put a dent in the practice of slavery? Will it really improve the fate of the slaves in this realm? If not, then what's really solved by doing anything to these slavers?</p><p></p><p>It seems like you have a much bigger question in front of you. Are you willing to tackle the practice of slavery in this realm? If you aren't, then what's the point of killing these particular slavers?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It would be difficult to argue that this particular type of chattel slavery is anything but Evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If your character really wants to do something about slavery, it sounds like you have two targets far superior to these slavers. The first strategy would be to uncover the doppleganger in such a way that the city council will, at the very least, improve the condition of the slaves (many historical forms of slavery granted slaves substantial rights). That's playing a very political game. The second strategy would be to help Diamondback, if you are on good terms with him, become the most powerful criminal organization in exchange for elminating slavery (that might be a bad bargain, though). The third strategy is a covert war against anyone who supports slavery until the majority of power lies in the hands of those opposed to slavery for one reason or another. </p><p></p><p>Your only other real option is to ignore slavery and focus on greater evils.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Letting the slaves remain in captivity is only Evil if you have a reasonable chance of doing something positive about it in the big scheme of things. How many thousands of slaves exist in this city? If you think that not freeing these slaves is Evil, then you are pretty much stuck freeing all of the slaves on the same grounds.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you try to free the slaves and fail, will the other world-saving things that you have to accomplish go undone and will the world be a worse place for it? If so, then you have your reason to not get involved with the slavers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are unnecessarily constraining your options. You most certainly can kill them -- at least the Evil ones. They are the ones most likely to abuse other slaves in the future, anyway. You can attack them with the law by framing them (e.g., Wouldn't it be awful if their taxes--Slavery is "heavily taxed", right?--never made it to the authorities and they were shut down for tax evasion?) or changing the law (e.g., politically manipulating the council or criminal organizations that run thigns). You can also do nothing, on the grounds that you can't do the job right and have more important things to do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you might want to read the description of Chaotic Neutral in the PHB or SRD.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Morrow, post: 2017287, member: 27012"] Why doesn't your character Detect Alignment before killing? Or identify only those characters responsible for the abuse for killing? I would think that the "Chaotic" half of "Chaotic Good" would consider slavery as much of an offense as murder, given that slavery is as much of an offense against the Chaotic part of the alignment as murder is to the Good part of the alignment. Read not only the "Chaotic Good" but also the "Chaotic Neutral" alignment descriptions, as well as the bit on what "Chaos" means. If you can free the slaves without killing the slavers, you can do that. Why? Because you only have to free the slaves. What about preventing the slavers from harming other people? The question you need to ask yourself is whether killing the slavers (or doing anything else to them) will really accomplish that goal. Will killing these slavers really put a dent in the practice of slavery? Will it really improve the fate of the slaves in this realm? If not, then what's really solved by doing anything to these slavers? It seems like you have a much bigger question in front of you. Are you willing to tackle the practice of slavery in this realm? If you aren't, then what's the point of killing these particular slavers? It would be difficult to argue that this particular type of chattel slavery is anything but Evil. If your character really wants to do something about slavery, it sounds like you have two targets far superior to these slavers. The first strategy would be to uncover the doppleganger in such a way that the city council will, at the very least, improve the condition of the slaves (many historical forms of slavery granted slaves substantial rights). That's playing a very political game. The second strategy would be to help Diamondback, if you are on good terms with him, become the most powerful criminal organization in exchange for elminating slavery (that might be a bad bargain, though). The third strategy is a covert war against anyone who supports slavery until the majority of power lies in the hands of those opposed to slavery for one reason or another. Your only other real option is to ignore slavery and focus on greater evils. Letting the slaves remain in captivity is only Evil if you have a reasonable chance of doing something positive about it in the big scheme of things. How many thousands of slaves exist in this city? If you think that not freeing these slaves is Evil, then you are pretty much stuck freeing all of the slaves on the same grounds. If you try to free the slaves and fail, will the other world-saving things that you have to accomplish go undone and will the world be a worse place for it? If so, then you have your reason to not get involved with the slavers. I think you are unnecessarily constraining your options. You most certainly can kill them -- at least the Evil ones. They are the ones most likely to abuse other slaves in the future, anyway. You can attack them with the law by framing them (e.g., Wouldn't it be awful if their taxes--Slavery is "heavily taxed", right?--never made it to the authorities and they were shut down for tax evasion?) or changing the law (e.g., politically manipulating the council or criminal organizations that run thigns). You can also do nothing, on the grounds that you can't do the job right and have more important things to do. Again, you might want to read the description of Chaotic Neutral in the PHB or SRD. [/QUOTE]
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