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How to Fix a Slavery situation without murder? (Solved!)
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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 2026379" data-attributes="member: 6533"><p>I can't necessarily comment on much of this last discussion, but for the following:</p><p></p><p>First, and this is largely irrelevant, it seems to me that selling people into slavery is while still horrible enough to warrant extreme measures is more merciful then killing them. This seems to me to be largely manifestly true given A.) that the very scenario you are plotting has some liklihood of happening and freeing them B.) time as a slave after holding slaves is unlikely to make them long to hold slaves again.</p><p></p><p>Second, if you take all their stuff they are already automatically in a position where they can't buy slaves again. Unless I am sorely mistaken this does not sound like a world or group of people with access to insurance. They are already in trouble with the important local crime syndicates, their profession has a heavy tax, they are likely not too heavily capitalized and you're going to be taking most of their capital anyway, so once you pull this off, if you pull this off, they will no longer be capable of holding slaves. They might still end up as part of the slave holder economy but their particular nasty power as a group will be broken.</p><p></p><p>As a result, considering mass murder as the best preventative means seems silly to me when your primary goal is massive robbery or burglary which will achieve the same end. Bloodshed may be inevitable to achieve your end, but by no means is it necessary.</p><p></p><p>Third, while there are a number of strategems you could go with that seem just as likely to me as the extremely risky strategem of murdering them all in their sleep, How easy is that going to be for you guys, c'mon?, the bottom line seems to me that you are working on too short a time table.</p><p></p><p>You need at least a week to a month of work to pull this off right. Convince Belle to be patient and begin working on it right away, but take your time with this. It's not worth risking the lives of your characters and doing something you know you're morally shaky about when you could be slow, careful, ethically satisfied, and cooler simply by preparing your opportunity.</p><p></p><p>These forty guys aren't going to stick around forever. Role-play out a week of stalking them, aiding attacks from local robbers, watching their numbers dwindle, making their numbers dwindle, intimidating them and then setting up your ambush so that you can actually get their stuff and get out. Not too mention that without careful preparation even handling these slaves and convincing them that you're not a threat when you're covered in blood and have just made them wanted criminals is going to be nigh impossible in the eyes of most creative and tough but fair DMs and the NPC slaves they are playing.</p><p></p><p>I you're gonna go gritty then you gotta go professional, and that means setting up the deal.</p><p></p><p>Fourth, this is by far one of the awesomest set-ups for a session I've heard of, I wish you luck. I think it will be awesome whichever way you go, I just hope you don't have regrets about working to have found a way to pull it off better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Strangemonkey, post: 2026379, member: 6533"] I can't necessarily comment on much of this last discussion, but for the following: First, and this is largely irrelevant, it seems to me that selling people into slavery is while still horrible enough to warrant extreme measures is more merciful then killing them. This seems to me to be largely manifestly true given A.) that the very scenario you are plotting has some liklihood of happening and freeing them B.) time as a slave after holding slaves is unlikely to make them long to hold slaves again. Second, if you take all their stuff they are already automatically in a position where they can't buy slaves again. Unless I am sorely mistaken this does not sound like a world or group of people with access to insurance. They are already in trouble with the important local crime syndicates, their profession has a heavy tax, they are likely not too heavily capitalized and you're going to be taking most of their capital anyway, so once you pull this off, if you pull this off, they will no longer be capable of holding slaves. They might still end up as part of the slave holder economy but their particular nasty power as a group will be broken. As a result, considering mass murder as the best preventative means seems silly to me when your primary goal is massive robbery or burglary which will achieve the same end. Bloodshed may be inevitable to achieve your end, but by no means is it necessary. Third, while there are a number of strategems you could go with that seem just as likely to me as the extremely risky strategem of murdering them all in their sleep, How easy is that going to be for you guys, c'mon?, the bottom line seems to me that you are working on too short a time table. You need at least a week to a month of work to pull this off right. Convince Belle to be patient and begin working on it right away, but take your time with this. It's not worth risking the lives of your characters and doing something you know you're morally shaky about when you could be slow, careful, ethically satisfied, and cooler simply by preparing your opportunity. These forty guys aren't going to stick around forever. Role-play out a week of stalking them, aiding attacks from local robbers, watching their numbers dwindle, making their numbers dwindle, intimidating them and then setting up your ambush so that you can actually get their stuff and get out. Not too mention that without careful preparation even handling these slaves and convincing them that you're not a threat when you're covered in blood and have just made them wanted criminals is going to be nigh impossible in the eyes of most creative and tough but fair DMs and the NPC slaves they are playing. I you're gonna go gritty then you gotta go professional, and that means setting up the deal. Fourth, this is by far one of the awesomest set-ups for a session I've heard of, I wish you luck. I think it will be awesome whichever way you go, I just hope you don't have regrets about working to have found a way to pull it off better. [/QUOTE]
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