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How to Fix a Slavery situation without murder? (Solved!)
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<blockquote data-quote="D+1" data-source="post: 2028386" data-attributes="member: 13654"><p>It's not GOOD, but in the absence of a better alternative it's not EVIL either, nor is it chaotic so the PC's should not have any problems with it. Perhaps regrets that there WASN'T a better alternative but not that they took the course of action that was <em>right and proper</em>.</p><p>Legal has nothing to do with what's right/wrong, good/evil. If the PC's are in agreement that the girl has been abused, that her enslavers deserve punishment for pepetrating the evil of slavery and additional abuse of the girl (and others no doubt) then if it's the easiest, safest way there's no reason why killing them all in their sleep is categorically a bad thing. It's possible that a PC might have a narrower view of how and why they will take certain actions and thus decline to take this step, but it's not DISallowed for everyone in general as evil, etc.</p><p>If the PC's SHOULD choose to simply free the slaves with a minimum of violence they are STILL not responsible for the slavers LATER actions in continuing their slave trade. The SLAVERS are responsible for the slavers actions - not the PC's. In particular if the PC's make it clear that they intend to do their best to disrupt, make unprofitable, or outright destroy the slave trade and those who practice it then if slavers later continue their evil ways - well, they've been warned and given MORE than enough leeway.</p><p>My own new campaign features legal, widespread slavery as an accepted institution. I don't think that campaign events will change that but if one or all the player should decide to make it their mission in life, well I have no problem in completely altering the intended course of the campaign to make it all about slave wars.</p><p>Just because it's legal doesn't mean that they are legally protected from ALL the consequences of their chosen profession. If a slaver tries to capture you and you kill many of his troops as you resist - are you committing a crime? As a matter of practicality the laws of slavery are that you are allowed to BUY and SELL slaves - but you need to be careful about where you GET them. People tend to get annoyed when their leaders/government rather than protecting them allows their enslavement by any yahoo within the borders.</p><p></p><p>Where is the girl from? Where are the other slaves from? If they've been bought and sold more than once it's possible to have been captured in THIS country, taken to another to be sold, and then despite being a "citizen" to be taken to your homeland and continue your slavery. Even if such laws that would prevent taking slaves IN your own country have been overlooked then he is theoretically ALLOWED to take you captive, but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to resist. It doesn't mean that if dad comes to claim his son, wife, daughter that DAD doesn't have an even GREATER right to claim his family as his property and possibly even require the slaver to pay him damages for depriving him of his property.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps the PC's will find that these slave farms are in fierce competition and can manipulate them into fighting each other because they each believe that "the other guy" has stolen slaves from him, and then the PC's free as many as they can and encourage the formation of a slave rebellion. The larger the slave population the more difficult it is to maintain control of the slaves - look at Roman history.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D+1, post: 2028386, member: 13654"] It's not GOOD, but in the absence of a better alternative it's not EVIL either, nor is it chaotic so the PC's should not have any problems with it. Perhaps regrets that there WASN'T a better alternative but not that they took the course of action that was [I]right and proper[/I]. Legal has nothing to do with what's right/wrong, good/evil. If the PC's are in agreement that the girl has been abused, that her enslavers deserve punishment for pepetrating the evil of slavery and additional abuse of the girl (and others no doubt) then if it's the easiest, safest way there's no reason why killing them all in their sleep is categorically a bad thing. It's possible that a PC might have a narrower view of how and why they will take certain actions and thus decline to take this step, but it's not DISallowed for everyone in general as evil, etc. If the PC's SHOULD choose to simply free the slaves with a minimum of violence they are STILL not responsible for the slavers LATER actions in continuing their slave trade. The SLAVERS are responsible for the slavers actions - not the PC's. In particular if the PC's make it clear that they intend to do their best to disrupt, make unprofitable, or outright destroy the slave trade and those who practice it then if slavers later continue their evil ways - well, they've been warned and given MORE than enough leeway. My own new campaign features legal, widespread slavery as an accepted institution. I don't think that campaign events will change that but if one or all the player should decide to make it their mission in life, well I have no problem in completely altering the intended course of the campaign to make it all about slave wars. Just because it's legal doesn't mean that they are legally protected from ALL the consequences of their chosen profession. If a slaver tries to capture you and you kill many of his troops as you resist - are you committing a crime? As a matter of practicality the laws of slavery are that you are allowed to BUY and SELL slaves - but you need to be careful about where you GET them. People tend to get annoyed when their leaders/government rather than protecting them allows their enslavement by any yahoo within the borders. Where is the girl from? Where are the other slaves from? If they've been bought and sold more than once it's possible to have been captured in THIS country, taken to another to be sold, and then despite being a "citizen" to be taken to your homeland and continue your slavery. Even if such laws that would prevent taking slaves IN your own country have been overlooked then he is theoretically ALLOWED to take you captive, but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to resist. It doesn't mean that if dad comes to claim his son, wife, daughter that DAD doesn't have an even GREATER right to claim his family as his property and possibly even require the slaver to pay him damages for depriving him of his property. Perhaps the PC's will find that these slave farms are in fierce competition and can manipulate them into fighting each other because they each believe that "the other guy" has stolen slaves from him, and then the PC's free as many as they can and encourage the formation of a slave rebellion. The larger the slave population the more difficult it is to maintain control of the slaves - look at Roman history. [/QUOTE]
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