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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7836546" data-attributes="member: 59848">Sure, that's viable. But in my personal opinion, such an invocation should either add the spell to your spells known without limiting the number of times you could cast it, or allow you to cast it once per day at its most basic level without using spell slots or adding it to your spell list. The current way it is written tries to go in-between, and ends up combining the worst aspects of each into a single, terrible invocation.It's actually the opposite. I've considered how this invocation would function at my table and how it would affect gameplay very carefully, and I have decided that allowing it more than once a day (and potentially once per every other encounter if it is just added to the warlock's spell list) is not worth the headache. It's not worth it to me as a DM, nor the other players. YMMV.No, those have all been part of the game. Familiars, retainers, hirelings, conjured creatures, I find ways to manage it. But I have also very carefully adjusted such spells and situations, and they work very different at my table than elsewhere.Cool. It sounds like you've had more positive experiences with these spells at your table than what I've had. It also sounds like you have addressed how to use these spells and abilities in a way that works for you, just as I've done.I feel like I'm talking in circles. But I agree that is a role for the DM. And I have not prohibited a player from using the spell. But I have adjusted the spell itself and with the invocation, the only difference is how frequently it can be cast. In my experience once in a while is less of a problem than multiple times a day.As a DM, I try to run my combatants in a way that makes sense. If they have a reason to single out the warlock or understand they could break his concentration, then I would do so. If I am running combatants to target that player's character simply because I am annoyed at how he is running his character, then I have my own issues to reflect on as a DM and I am at risk of placing my enjoyment of the game over the others' enjoyment.I never said they shouldn't have to make checks. But they shouldn't be targeted to make checks unless it makes sense in the game. If enemies are not smart enough to know that the warlock is controlling the creature or would know that attacking them might cause the warlock to lose control, then there is no reason for such enemies to try and single out the warlock.I agree that they are problematic, but my issue as I said above is that they typically place a limit on castings AND require a spell slot. Make it one or the other and I see them as less of a problem. Some spells make sense to add to the spells known, while other spells seem more appropriate to leave as once per day. I personally find that conjure elemental and polymorph should be once per day, while the others can be added to the spell list.As I mentioned in my original post and follow-up to that post, of those invocations only the ones that deal with conjure elemental and polymorph are limited to once per day (also without requiring expending a spell slot). The others simply allow you to add the spell to your spells known, allowing you to use as many warlock spell slots as you have/want. So yes, in this particular discussion between you and I, only 4th and 5th level spells are relevant.</blockquote>

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