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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Miyazawa Mizaki" data-source="post: 2105257" data-attributes="member: 30027">Well I've tryed talking to them but nothing seems to work. When we talk they say they will act better (they really dont want me to stop DMing) but when its game time they cant even go 5 minutes before they start acting up again.   I've told them "If you want to play a 'kick in the door' type of game then one of you DM or find a new one becuase I don't have time to baby sit you so you can 'smashy' things. It boils down to the point I dont have much time to do many things. If I'm going to DM for you I want to DM what I like to DM, not a Pen & Paper verson of Diablo. No matter how much you beg the wolves will never be carring treasure in their fur! Sure they may drag dead bodies back to their den with loot still on them but you guy are never creative enouph to track them back to their den (and other situations where tresure isnt being carried but can still be found, what about taking ranks in Skill: Craft: Skinning and Tanning and sell the wolves pelts?)". This usually ends with them say "we will try harder to be better players" but they don't or "Fine, we will DM our selfs"......5 minutes later "Please DM for us again!". I think I'm going to give up DMing untill I can find a better group.  Edit: The war game Ideas a good one but I dont have money for miniatures or warhammer and even though I'd like to do that the price point is where it gets me.</blockquote>