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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8179779" data-attributes="member: 5889">It can if we make a few tweaks.1) Have the &quot;swarm&quot; be a huge size to start, and then subtract squares from its size as the party knocks down hp. This simulates them killing the dudes.2) You can either use a swarm attack (auto damage), but if you want it to be a little more dynamic use the mob rules in the DMG. Just assume there are X amount of guys around a party member who is in or near the swarm (maybe 8 or a bit less if the party is doing well to keep the guys off of them). This way their AC still plays into it, and there is the feeling of being attacked.3) As new dudes enter the room, add another swarm, or simply &quot;heal&quot; the existing swarm and then fill back in the squares.4) Make sure to respect cleaving type abilities and area effects, you want to ensure the players feel they are getting the payoff for those abilities.So that's a fine option. Another option is to go with ye old minions rules from 4e which are still one of the rules I wish 5e had kept. A refresher.1) Minions have 1 HP. However, they have &quot;evasion&quot;, they don't die if they pass a saving for half damage.2) Minions have a weak attack with that deals a small amount of static damage.The rules work great for hordes about hordes of guys in a way that makes the party feel like they are cutting through wave after wave of people.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8179779, member: 5889"] It can if we make a few tweaks. 1) Have the "swarm" be a huge size to start, and then subtract squares from its size as the party knocks down hp. This simulates them killing the dudes. 2) You can either use a swarm attack (auto damage), but if you want it to be a little more dynamic use the mob rules in the DMG. Just assume there are X amount of guys around a party member who is in or near the swarm (maybe 8 or a bit less if the party is doing well to keep the guys off of them). This way their AC still plays into it, and there is the feeling of being attacked. 3) As new dudes enter the room, add another swarm, or simply "heal" the existing swarm and then fill back in the squares. 4) Make sure to respect cleaving type abilities and area effects, you want to ensure the players feel they are getting the payoff for those abilities. So that's a fine option. Another option is to go with ye old minions rules from 4e which are still one of the rules I wish 5e had kept. A refresher. 1) Minions have 1 HP. However, they have "evasion", they don't die if they pass a saving for half damage. 2) Minions have a weak attack with that deals a small amount of static damage. The rules work great for hordes about hordes of guys in a way that makes the party feel like they are cutting through wave after wave of people. [/QUOTE]

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