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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6994086" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I'm sure you see it differently, but the thought I'm having is that you aren't requiring enough of your players from my perspective. As much as I usually think it's my job to make the play experience enjoyable for them, examples like that just make me think that players need to accept some responsibility for the overall experience (not just their character). Part of that, in my opinion, is playing the game by established parameters (and keeping player knowledge and character knowledge separate ought to be a perfectly acceptable parameter if it enhances the game for the players (including the DM)).Using obscure lore that the character doesn't have any way of knowing is just childish and unacceptable behavior. It is literally the kind of crap you expect from a child. But with a child I would be more patient and help them learn that's not how we do it because of such and so. If an adult did that, I would explain the issue once and not be patient if it happened a second time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6994086, member: 6677017"] I'm sure you see it differently, but the thought I'm having is that you aren't requiring enough of your players from my perspective. As much as I usually think it's my job to make the play experience enjoyable for them, examples like that just make me think that players need to accept some responsibility for the overall experience (not just their character). Part of that, in my opinion, is playing the game by established parameters (and keeping player knowledge and character knowledge separate ought to be a perfectly acceptable parameter if it enhances the game for the players (including the DM)). Using obscure lore that the character doesn't have any way of knowing is just childish and unacceptable behavior. It is literally the kind of crap you expect from a child. But with a child I would be more patient and help them learn that's not how we do it because of such and so. If an adult did that, I would explain the issue once and not be patient if it happened a second time. [/QUOTE]

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