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<blockquote data-quote="Lamoni" data-source="post: 1720833" data-attributes="member: 12680">It seems like bringing up this point has also changed the topic so it can be debated some more.There is a case for either side of the issue.&nbsp; Whatever you like more is what you will rule in your game.&nbsp; Now, my favorite way to negate true seeing is by giving myself total concealment by placing something between myself and the true-seeing guy.&nbsp; Wall spells work very well as well as Tiny Hut.&nbsp; However those spells are quite defensive and you probably have no need to negate true seeing in that instance... of course if your whole party is invisible and one person is shouting to his companions where each of you are it is easy to just place a wall around that person.As far as taking the initiative and getting past someone with true seeing, I believe the best way is to use dust of disappearance (as someone already mentioned).&nbsp; The only problem I see with true seeing is that it renders my character's illusion spells quite useless.&nbsp; If there was only a way to imbue your illusions with shadow so they were partially real and therefore no longer negated... at a price of course, I just don't know what price that would be... either a metamagic feat, creating new shadow illusion spells (at higher level), or creating a prestige class with that ability at high levels.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lamoni, post: 1720833, member: 12680"] It seems like bringing up this point has also changed the topic so it can be debated some more. There is a case for either side of the issue. Whatever you like more is what you will rule in your game. Now, my favorite way to negate true seeing is by giving myself total concealment by placing something between myself and the true-seeing guy. Wall spells work very well as well as Tiny Hut. However those spells are quite defensive and you probably have no need to negate true seeing in that instance... of course if your whole party is invisible and one person is shouting to his companions where each of you are it is easy to just place a wall around that person. As far as taking the initiative and getting past someone with true seeing, I believe the best way is to use dust of disappearance (as someone already mentioned). The only problem I see with true seeing is that it renders my character's illusion spells quite useless. If there was only a way to imbue your illusions with shadow so they were partially real and therefore no longer negated... at a price of course, I just don't know what price that would be... either a metamagic feat, creating new shadow illusion spells (at higher level), or creating a prestige class with that ability at high levels. [/QUOTE]

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