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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9222814" data-attributes="member: 93670">You are picking and choosing what you want to read.&nbsp; The monster math does not account for magic items, it's a simple fact not subject to subjectivity.By making ability scores matter like 3.x players face strong pressure to minmaxing the perfect attribute distribution &amp;rush it to 20, the comparison there is to 2e style attributes where the breakpoint for +1/-1 was at 15 &amp; 6 so players faced dramatically less pressure to minmax those attributes. ... again this is simple math.&nbsp; For the point of players facing strong pressure it a subjective thing like&nbsp; &quot;can be fun&quot; is an entirely meaningless statement when it could be said about anything.&nbsp;I don't think you understand the difference between a +2 TOME and a +attrib item either.&nbsp;&nbsp; One is an almost never seen item that mainly only exists for players to ogle in the magic items section.&nbsp;&nbsp; Comparably the other is a reasonably available item when the system doesn't try to design against magic items.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9222814, member: 93670"] You are picking and choosing what you want to read. The monster math does not account for magic items, it's a simple fact not subject to subjectivity. By making ability scores matter like 3.x [B]players face strong pressure [/B]to minmaxing the perfect attribute distribution &rush it to 20, the comparison there is to 2e style attributes where the breakpoint for +1/-1 was at 15 & 6 so [B]players faced dramatically less pressure[/B] to minmax those attributes. ... again this is simple math. For the point of players facing strong pressure it a subjective thing like "[I]can[/I] be fun" is an entirely meaningless statement when it could be said about anything. I don't think you understand the difference between a +2 TOME and a +attrib item either. One is an almost never seen item that mainly only exists for players to ogle in the magic items section. Comparably the other is a reasonably available item when the system doesn't try to design against magic items. [/QUOTE]

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