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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9223387" data-attributes="member: 93670">Going back to the 18 cap makes a lot of sense, changing that to 20 was just munchkinism.&nbsp; IME players who started with 5e are under the impression that they must have a 20 and will strongly push back against anything being changed to stand in the way of that.&nbsp; It's also less than compelling for the gm to &quot;nerf&quot; PCs like that just so they can give some back through items if that was your intent.I'm not even sure why you mentioned allowing what sounds like a wider selection of feats at first level than just the first level feats.&nbsp; We don't really have enough info on feats to know if the rework and level restrictions will do anything in practice or not but winding that back seems like a sure fire why to ensure it will not.&nbsp; I think #3 is already planned but it provides a secondary bonus you didn't mention.&nbsp; That bonus is slightly reducing the gap between players who do/don't spend the first two on a +2 since there is a smaller gap between Alice's 16-&gt;18-&gt;20+&gt;20+feat&nbsp; &amp; Bob's 16-&gt;17+feat-&gt;18+feat-&gt;19+feat-&gt;20+feat. &nbsp;I wouldn't mind seeing wotc lower the starting 14/15+2 down a bit&nbsp; but figure there is zero chance of even seeing a half step there like seeing an alternate reduced pool pointbuy. Their design seems too welded to the idea that magic items are not needed and that the GM does not need to consider their impact for any such explained official option the gm could choose without homebrew for any such reduction</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9223387, member: 93670"] Going back to the 18 cap makes a lot of sense, changing that to 20 was just munchkinism. IME players who started with 5e are under the impression that they [I]must[/I] have a 20 and will strongly push back against anything being changed to stand in the way of that. It's also less than compelling for the gm to "nerf" PCs like that just so they can give some back through items if that was your intent. I'm not even sure why you mentioned allowing what sounds like a wider selection of feats at first level than just the first level feats. We don't really have enough info on feats to know if the rework and level restrictions will do anything in practice or not but winding that back seems like a sure fire why to ensure it will not. I think #3 is already planned but it provides a secondary bonus you didn't mention. That bonus is slightly reducing the gap between players who do/don't spend the first two on a +2 since there is a smaller gap between Alice's 16->18->20+>20+feat & Bob's 16->17+feat->18+feat->19+feat->20+feat. I wouldn't mind seeing wotc lower the starting 14/15+2 down a bit but figure there is zero chance of even seeing a half step there like seeing an alternate reduced pool pointbuy. Their design seems too welded to the idea that magic items are not needed and that the GM does not need to consider their impact for any such explained official option the gm could choose without homebrew for any such reduction [/QUOTE]

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