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<blockquote data-quote="Vikingkingq" data-source="post: 9232318" data-attributes="member: 66208">Yeah, citations needed there:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Plenty of campaigns take place over much longer than a couple of years. Whether we're talking about the classic Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms campaigns that could span entire different spans of history, or more recent actual plays like the Critical Role folks whose adventures span 30-40 years according to the timeline, or the descriptions of the social roles held by characters going from 1-20, people are clearly going from the beginnings of their careers to the end of them - and unless we think that people's careers end in their early to mid-20s, your standard &quot;High Priest&quot; or &quot;Great Druid&quot; or &quot;Lord&quot; or &quot;Ranger Lord&quot; is going to be substantially older. </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Also, as was discussed in the Clerics thread (I think), characters aren't starting out in their early-to-mid 20s if Level 1 is supposed to represent the end of their training and the beginning of their careers, but rather starting at their species' and culture's equivalent of around 16-17. </li>
</ul>I actually think this concedes my point - if advancement is core to the D&amp;D system, then it should be represented throughout the system, so that characters can become stronger or more agile or wiser in addition to more skilled.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vikingkingq, post: 9232318, member: 66208"] Yeah, citations needed there: [LIST] [*]Plenty of campaigns take place over much longer than a couple of years. Whether we're talking about the classic Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms campaigns that could span entire different spans of history, or more recent actual plays like the Critical Role folks whose adventures span 30-40 years according to the timeline, or the descriptions of the social roles held by characters going from 1-20, people are clearly going from the beginnings of their careers to the end of them - and unless we think that people's careers end in their early to mid-20s, your standard "High Priest" or "Great Druid" or "Lord" or "Ranger Lord" is going to be substantially older. [*]Also, as was discussed in the Clerics thread (I think), characters aren't starting out in their early-to-mid 20s if Level 1 is supposed to represent the end of their training and the beginning of their careers, but rather starting at their species' and culture's equivalent of around 16-17. [/LIST] I actually think this concedes my point - if advancement is core to the D&D system, then it should be represented throughout the system, so that characters can become stronger or more agile or wiser in addition to more skilled. [/QUOTE]

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