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<blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5564028" data-attributes="member: 18701"><p>I have a feeling that it is less about him "helping" the group out and more about him getting things his way. The DDI subscription is no secret. If the group wanted to use it, they'd be using it. Even if they couldn't use it and Kzach gave them that option, it's a simple matter to work out and not something that needs to be discussed on a forum. If that's all he wanted, then this is all that would have needed to be done (yet I don't think this went down):</p><p></p><p>DM: "We limit books to only what you own."</p><p>Kzach: "I have a DDI subscription that we can all share. How about it?"</p><p>DM response #1: "Naw that's ok."</p><p>DM response #2: "OK, sure."</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind, Kzach isn't trying to simply ask them to use the extra rules. There is nothing wrong in asking a new group if they might allow something. The problem is that he wants to <em>talk them into using it</em>. He wants to pester them, poke them, and prod them until he gets what he wants. The point of this thread is to gain ideas on how he can convince them to use it. He isn't just looking for a polite way to offer them additional rules. He wants to tell them to use those additional rules.</p><p></p><p>To a new group of guys that you don't know and have not even played with, that's extremely annoying.</p><p></p><p>I can completely understand that. I've dealt with the same thing in the past 2 years (being a DM that has to adjust to being a player and not be in control). I'm just surprised that you'd consider pushing your control issues on a <em>new</em> group. A group of existing friends is one thing, but a group of guys you've never played with that have already established their preferences? </p><p></p><p>It reminds me of the socially awkward nut job I once met that already started <strong>arguing</strong> with me about the game during our face-to-face "interview". He would ask me about races, classes, or rules that I would or wouldn't use. If it was something I didn't use or allow, he'd actually argue and question me on why I didn't use it. I just met this guy and he found something to argue about with me on every single subject we discussed. I was shocked (and amused). I was also straight forward with him when I told him the next day that I won't be inviting him to play with us. He literally begged me to give him a second chance and said that he's not good with first impressions. That was hard to hear, but <em>I'm not good</em> at dealing with people's BS and there was no way he was playing with us. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When you put it like that, this whole situation sounds even more ridiculous. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oryan77, post: 5564028, member: 18701"] I have a feeling that it is less about him "helping" the group out and more about him getting things his way. The DDI subscription is no secret. If the group wanted to use it, they'd be using it. Even if they couldn't use it and Kzach gave them that option, it's a simple matter to work out and not something that needs to be discussed on a forum. If that's all he wanted, then this is all that would have needed to be done (yet I don't think this went down): DM: "We limit books to only what you own." Kzach: "I have a DDI subscription that we can all share. How about it?" DM response #1: "Naw that's ok." DM response #2: "OK, sure." Keep in mind, Kzach isn't trying to simply ask them to use the extra rules. There is nothing wrong in asking a new group if they might allow something. The problem is that he wants to [I]talk them into using it[/I]. He wants to pester them, poke them, and prod them until he gets what he wants. The point of this thread is to gain ideas on how he can convince them to use it. He isn't just looking for a polite way to offer them additional rules. He wants to tell them to use those additional rules. To a new group of guys that you don't know and have not even played with, that's extremely annoying. I can completely understand that. I've dealt with the same thing in the past 2 years (being a DM that has to adjust to being a player and not be in control). I'm just surprised that you'd consider pushing your control issues on a [I]new[/I] group. A group of existing friends is one thing, but a group of guys you've never played with that have already established their preferences? It reminds me of the socially awkward nut job I once met that already started [B]arguing[/B] with me about the game during our face-to-face "interview". He would ask me about races, classes, or rules that I would or wouldn't use. If it was something I didn't use or allow, he'd actually argue and question me on why I didn't use it. I just met this guy and he found something to argue about with me on every single subject we discussed. I was shocked (and amused). I was also straight forward with him when I told him the next day that I won't be inviting him to play with us. He literally begged me to give him a second chance and said that he's not good with first impressions. That was hard to hear, but [I]I'm not good[/I] at dealing with people's BS and there was no way he was playing with us. When you put it like that, this whole situation sounds even more ridiculous. :lol: [/QUOTE]
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