Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
How to keep women in the game?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="mythago" data-source="post: 7089191" data-attributes="member: 3019"><p>Who said anything about D&D? Which, by the way, is pretty much a non-standard in terms of realism; "more realistic than D&D" is like saying "safer than eating mercury".</p><p></p><p>Pendragon is an odd choice to bring out as a champion of History and Realism, since it's an RPG explicitly set <em>in a mythology</em>. And not just a mythology, but a very modernist view of Arthurian myth that leaves out unpleasant bits that we 21st century gamers tend to find problematic -cf. <em>Le Morte d'Arthur</em>. It's handwavy history and intended to evoke a particular set of feelings and play style. Realism does and will take a back seat to the spirit of the game and story.</p><p></p><p>But you're really making the point you're grumbling about, which is that outside of a handful of 'strictly accurate' RPGs, we're all picking and choosing how realistic we're going to be, and what "realistic" elements we care about vs. the ones that we discard. There's always that one guy who has no problem with Dumbo being a flying elephant, but can't get past him doing a <em>power dive</em> when for the entire movie he's been portrayed as a <em>glider</em>. Or, in game terms, the GM who is fine with a female PC hurling fireballs or overpowering seasoned mercenaries with a single backstab, but loses suspension of disbelief if she can be as strong as any man. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's a matter of preference, not of Game Law.</p><p></p><p>It does mean, though, that when a group says that they do X because they must rather than because they choose to, many people will notice the transparency and lack of respect in that fiction, and will seek fun elsewhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mythago, post: 7089191, member: 3019"] Who said anything about D&D? Which, by the way, is pretty much a non-standard in terms of realism; "more realistic than D&D" is like saying "safer than eating mercury". Pendragon is an odd choice to bring out as a champion of History and Realism, since it's an RPG explicitly set [I]in a mythology[/I]. And not just a mythology, but a very modernist view of Arthurian myth that leaves out unpleasant bits that we 21st century gamers tend to find problematic -cf. [I]Le Morte d'Arthur[/I]. It's handwavy history and intended to evoke a particular set of feelings and play style. Realism does and will take a back seat to the spirit of the game and story. But you're really making the point you're grumbling about, which is that outside of a handful of 'strictly accurate' RPGs, we're all picking and choosing how realistic we're going to be, and what "realistic" elements we care about vs. the ones that we discard. There's always that one guy who has no problem with Dumbo being a flying elephant, but can't get past him doing a [I]power dive[/I] when for the entire movie he's been portrayed as a [I]glider[/I]. Or, in game terms, the GM who is fine with a female PC hurling fireballs or overpowering seasoned mercenaries with a single backstab, but loses suspension of disbelief if she can be as strong as any man. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's a matter of preference, not of Game Law. It does mean, though, that when a group says that they do X because they must rather than because they choose to, many people will notice the transparency and lack of respect in that fiction, and will seek fun elsewhere. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
How to keep women in the game?
Top