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<blockquote data-quote="Bastoche" data-source="post: 2112432" data-attributes="member: 306">IMO, allowing that has only 2 (negative effects):1) monks get free AoO (&lt;- edit: I just realised that monks have uncanny dodge. So with the RAW, they ARE allowed those AoO)2) rogues can't make their first round sneak attacks.In the theif guild case, if you allow everyone to &quot;not be flat-footed&quot; all it does is that the rushing rogues is denied a sneak attack. The other guys having lost initiative can't stop the theif and they are not allowed AoO since they do not threaten him (not because they are flat-footed but rather because they are unarmed; unless they have improved unarmed strike or a weapon already in their hands).Edit: A party with a monk and improved trip would make a great Wizard body guard: imagine the rogue running for the mage and falling flat on his belly due to the monk's foot being put in front of the runnig rogue's legs <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bastoche, post: 2112432, member: 306"] IMO, allowing that has only 2 (negative effects): 1) monks get free AoO (<- edit: I just realised that monks have uncanny dodge. So with the RAW, they ARE allowed those AoO) 2) rogues can't make their first round sneak attacks. In the theif guild case, if you allow everyone to "not be flat-footed" all it does is that the rushing rogues is denied a sneak attack. The other guys having lost initiative can't stop the theif and they are not allowed AoO since they do not threaten him (not because they are flat-footed but rather because they are unarmed; unless they have improved unarmed strike or a weapon already in their hands). Edit: A party with a monk and improved trip would make a great Wizard body guard: imagine the rogue running for the mage and falling flat on his belly due to the monk's foot being put in front of the runnig rogue's legs :lol: [/QUOTE]

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