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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 2115407" data-attributes="member: 13107"><p><strong>Still some questions</strong></p><p></p><p>Hi,</p><p></p><p>Trying to hear both sides on this, and I still have some questions.</p><p></p><p>Assume that the bowman has a deadly poisoned arrow to shoot.</p><p></p><p>Working from an example (hopefully cinematic):</p><p></p><p>Actor 1: The king, walking in procession through a hall lined with his subjects.</p><p>Actors 2 and 3: A pair of bodyguards on either side of the king.</p><p>Actor 4: A sniper (bowman) on a balcony, with his bow notched and ready to shoot the king.</p><p>Actor 5: A patrollman who has snuck up behind the sniper and who is preparing to attack him.</p><p>Actor 6: A random subject, who is racing through the crowd to warn the king, but who has been silenced by an ally of the sniper.</p><p></p><p>There are a couple of things that are about to happen:</p><p></p><p>The random subject will cause a disruption in the crowd as he races towards the king;</p><p>The guardmen will react to the random subject, probably with alarm.</p><p>The bowman will attempt to shoot the king.</p><p>The patrolman will attack the bowman.</p><p></p><p>Questions:</p><p></p><p>When is initiative rolled.</p><p>Is there a surprise round? Who gets to act during that round.</p><p>What are the states of the actors relative to each other?</p><p>(Aware of or not, flat-footed, retains dexterity or not?)</p><p></p><p>My take is that initiative is rolled as soon as the random subject causes the disruption.</p><p></p><p>At that point, the actors roll spot checks to become aware of the subject.</p><p></p><p>The bowman has already rolled (and failed) a spot check against the patrolman, and</p><p>doesn't get another one.</p><p></p><p>The bodyguards have previously failed a spot check against the bowman, but they get</p><p>a new one, or can make an intelligence check to make a new one (perhaps this is a diversion!)</p><p></p><p>Let's say that both guardsmen and the bowman spot the disturbance, but the patrolman does not (he is in a back hallway and can't clearly see or hear the disturbance, and</p><p>besides, he is focussed on the bowman.) Also, let's say that the king does not spot</p><p>the disturbance (maybe he does, but doesn't internalize the information sufficiently</p><p>to react to it).</p><p></p><p>What happens from there?</p><p></p><p>Thx</p><p></p><p>T Bitonti</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 2115407, member: 13107"] [b]Still some questions[/b] Hi, Trying to hear both sides on this, and I still have some questions. Assume that the bowman has a deadly poisoned arrow to shoot. Working from an example (hopefully cinematic): Actor 1: The king, walking in procession through a hall lined with his subjects. Actors 2 and 3: A pair of bodyguards on either side of the king. Actor 4: A sniper (bowman) on a balcony, with his bow notched and ready to shoot the king. Actor 5: A patrollman who has snuck up behind the sniper and who is preparing to attack him. Actor 6: A random subject, who is racing through the crowd to warn the king, but who has been silenced by an ally of the sniper. There are a couple of things that are about to happen: The random subject will cause a disruption in the crowd as he races towards the king; The guardmen will react to the random subject, probably with alarm. The bowman will attempt to shoot the king. The patrolman will attack the bowman. Questions: When is initiative rolled. Is there a surprise round? Who gets to act during that round. What are the states of the actors relative to each other? (Aware of or not, flat-footed, retains dexterity or not?) My take is that initiative is rolled as soon as the random subject causes the disruption. At that point, the actors roll spot checks to become aware of the subject. The bowman has already rolled (and failed) a spot check against the patrolman, and doesn't get another one. The bodyguards have previously failed a spot check against the bowman, but they get a new one, or can make an intelligence check to make a new one (perhaps this is a diversion!) Let's say that both guardsmen and the bowman spot the disturbance, but the patrolman does not (he is in a back hallway and can't clearly see or hear the disturbance, and besides, he is focussed on the bowman.) Also, let's say that the king does not spot the disturbance (maybe he does, but doesn't internalize the information sufficiently to react to it). What happens from there? Thx T Bitonti [/QUOTE]
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