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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bastoche" data-source="post: 2115625" data-attributes="member: 306">I think yes. You short-circuit the surprise mechanics. I agree that this part is mostly "up to the DM", but IMO, everyone needs to at least have a chance to spot/listen/sense motive the "unawared readied action". Furthermore, and it's just a matter of semantics, my point is that you implied that everyone was "aware" of each other, bypassing the surprise round. In other words, you break to rules by being self-inconsistant on the "awareness" issue.This I agree. What I do not agree with is bypassing any sort of mechanics allowing anyone to notice the readied action (i.e. surprise round check) especially since everyone is on equal footing, namingly aware of each other and expecting a fight. So in the ends, your suggestion is to replace the criticality of winning the initiative with the criticality of being unsurprised in the surprise round. In other words, those who won't be flat footed are those who aren't surprised in the surprise round. 100% fine with me. And you do gain something by doing it that way: the firsts round is a partial round. It may very well disallow the rogue to move and sneak in the first round. However, he could certainly shot instead of attack in melee, still getting his sneak attack (remember in that scenario, he still wins the initiative). If the wizard is surprised, the rogue will still be able to walk up to him (surprise round) the rogue is first so everyone else is FF. Then the guy who initiated the fight by choosing to ready an action at his turn ready an action and those surprised remain FF. Round 2, rogue full attacks the wizard with sneak attacks (worst result than in a no surprise round scenario). This is IF the rogue succeed the surprise check. If not, the only one to act is the guy who ready an action and then we go to first full round. At which point the rogue moves and sneak attacks the wizard. It does NOT trigger the readied action because it was in the previous round and it was lost because it was not triggered. If the "readier" has a drawn weapon or improved unarmed strike, he can strike the running rogue before he reach the wizard who still gets sneak attacked. Anyone with a drawn weapon (or IUS) and combat reflexes get AoOs.If the "readier" is the wizard in question, then the rogue attack without sneak attack (the wizard is not FF). Is the wizard somehow has uncanny dodge, he cannot suffer a sneak attack in any scenario.Is it satisfactory?</blockquote>

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