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<blockquote data-quote="Nadaka" data-source="post: 3145603" data-attributes="member: 14651">You guys complaining about spellbooks should reread the descriptions again.The 2 free spells / level that a wizard gets cost no gold, and no time to scribe. They are assumed to have been worked on as the character levels.You don't have to spend time and gold to keep your spellbook functional, only to upgrade it beyond the FREE UPGRADES you already get. Look at it this way, does a fighter get a FREE magic weapon/armor upgrade every time he levels up? NO! A wizard is allowed more than 1 50 page spellbook. You can have any number, so the page limitation is hardly an issue if your strength is higher than 5. When you add to that the spells(non-core)/items that allow the wizard to bypass the time/gp/page count and the arguement becomes transperent and pointless.The arguement has also been made that 2 spells per level of a wizard means that a sorcerer will have more spells known eventually. This is incorrect as well. The following chart is the combination of sorcerers spells known and the spells automatically scribed in a wizards spellbook. As it clearly demonstrates, sorcerers never have an advantage at any spell level except level 2, and that is only at level 11+, while the wizard mantains a lead or tie at every other spell level. Note that if the wizard spent one of his 3rd - 7th level spells scribing a spell of 1 level lower, even that advantage would fall to the wizard. Now look at the totals, it clearly demonstrates that they never, ever fall behind the sorcerer in spells known/scibed. And if you were to compare spell levels known/scribed the advantage would fall even farther in favor of the wizard who has a higher number of the highest levels of spells known at each level.[code]lvl&nbsp; &nbsp; w1&nbsp; &nbsp; s1&nbsp; &nbsp; w2&nbsp; &nbsp; s2&nbsp; &nbsp; w3&nbsp; &nbsp; s3&nbsp; &nbsp; w4&nbsp; &nbsp; s4&nbsp; &nbsp; w5&nbsp; &nbsp; s5&nbsp; &nbsp; w6&nbsp; &nbsp; s6&nbsp; &nbsp; w7&nbsp; &nbsp; s7&nbsp; &nbsp; w8&nbsp; &nbsp; s8&nbsp; &nbsp; w9&nbsp; &nbsp; s9&nbsp; &nbsp; wscribed&nbsp; &nbsp; sknown1&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 22&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; 34&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; 45&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 11&nbsp; &nbsp; 66&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 13&nbsp; &nbsp; 77&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; 108&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; 119&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 19&nbsp; &nbsp; 1410&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 21&nbsp; &nbsp; 1511&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 23&nbsp; &nbsp; 1912&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 2013&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 27&nbsp; &nbsp; 2314&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 29&nbsp; &nbsp; 2415&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 31&nbsp; &nbsp; 2716&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 33&nbsp; &nbsp; 2817&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 35&nbsp; &nbsp; 3018&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 37&nbsp; &nbsp; 3119&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; 39&nbsp; &nbsp; 3320&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 41&nbsp; &nbsp; 34[/code]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nadaka, post: 3145603, member: 14651"] You guys complaining about spellbooks should reread the descriptions again. The 2 free spells / level that a wizard gets cost no gold, and no time to scribe. They are assumed to have been worked on as the character levels. You don't have to spend time and gold to keep your spellbook functional, only to upgrade it beyond the FREE UPGRADES you already get. Look at it this way, does a fighter get a FREE magic weapon/armor upgrade every time he levels up? NO! A wizard is allowed more than 1 50 page spellbook. You can have any number, so the page limitation is hardly an issue if your strength is higher than 5. When you add to that the spells(non-core)/items that allow the wizard to bypass the time/gp/page count and the arguement becomes transperent and pointless. The arguement has also been made that 2 spells per level of a wizard means that a sorcerer will have more spells known eventually. This is incorrect as well. The following chart is the combination of sorcerers spells known and the spells automatically scribed in a wizards spellbook. As it clearly demonstrates, sorcerers never have an advantage at any spell level except level 2, and that is only at level 11+, while the wizard mantains a lead or tie at every other spell level. Note that if the wizard spent one of his 3rd - 7th level spells scribing a spell of 1 level lower, even that advantage would fall to the wizard. Now look at the totals, it clearly demonstrates that they never, ever fall behind the sorcerer in spells known/scibed. And if you were to compare spell levels known/scribed the advantage would fall even farther in favor of the wizard who has a higher number of the highest levels of spells known at each level. [code] lvl w1 s1 w2 s2 w3 s3 w4 s4 w5 s5 w6 s6 w7 s7 w8 s8 w9 s9 wscribed sknown 1 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 2 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 2 3 5 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 3 4 5 3 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 4 5 5 4 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 6 6 5 4 4 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 7 7 5 5 4 3 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 10 8 5 5 4 3 4 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17 11 9 5 5 4 4 4 3 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19 14 10 5 5 4 4 4 3 4 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 21 15 11 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 3 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 19 12 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 3 4 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 20 13 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 27 23 14 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 2 4 1 0 0 0 0 29 24 15 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 2 2 0 0 0 31 27 16 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 2 4 1 0 0 33 28 17 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 2 2 0 35 30 18 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 2 4 1 37 31 19 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 3 6 2 39 33 20 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 3 8 3 41 34 [/code] [/QUOTE]

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