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<blockquote data-quote="Vexed" data-source="post: 459240" data-attributes="member: 7361">I believe I have to agree (mostly) with Dreaddisease.&quot;Do everything you can out of game. If this person is still insistant on playing a paladin then ask him if he is a role player or a roll player, and that your game is a role playing game and he is not welcome.&quot;However, (and i don't know the situation) but to me it sounds like you may have a problem with the person more than the character he is running.&nbsp; You said its the same &quot;character&quot; every time.&nbsp; Not just because he is a paladin.&nbsp; You can have the same character class and a totally different personality with seperate characters.&nbsp; You could have this problem with any players.&nbsp; I subscribe to the idea that a person plays a character for their own enjoyment, not yours.&nbsp; Forcing them to play something they dont want to defeats the point of playing in their minds (it would in mind).&nbsp; What happens when the cynical, self serving&nbsp; drow rogue type of PC's gets the thumbs down? (Im sick of his con artist, smug attitude.&nbsp; It's the same thing with all his characters.&nbsp; He's always a smart ass.).&nbsp; Its the same scenario, it does not have to be becasue he is a &quot;paladin&quot;.&nbsp; Unless of course the gourp consists of people who feel &quot;paladins&quot; are annoying in general regardless of who plays them and feel they can't role play their own characters with him in the party.&nbsp; I disagree, it would take time/effort and could be fun, but just my opinion.&nbsp;&nbsp; But forcing him into no win situations is not a good idea to solve this problem which could happen again and again.&nbsp; He picks a fighter, or mage and acts the same way.&nbsp; He just finds a way to maximize/power game with their abilites.&nbsp; But your still playing with the same character he just traded in his armor and two handed sword for robes and a staff.&nbsp; Same guy. I would ask him if he thinks he can play a different type of personality, and bring up opportunites that a paladin could not have becasue he is so restricted (LG only).&nbsp; At least ask him to TRY and play a diffferent class, and more importantly a different PERSONALITY.&nbsp; (THe roll play vs. role play) Can you try that for us? If it doesnt work you can go back to your paladin but you have to give it an honest effort, and not let people ride him about his new character. It would take some time if he is as adament as you say. If he wont compromise then i would say its him, not his character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vexed, post: 459240, member: 7361"] I believe I have to agree (mostly) with Dreaddisease. "Do everything you can out of game. If this person is still insistant on playing a paladin then ask him if he is a role player or a roll player, and that your game is a role playing game and he is not welcome." However, (and i don't know the situation) but to me it sounds like you may have a problem with the person more than the character he is running. You said its the same "character" every time. Not just because he is a paladin. You can have the same character class and a totally different personality with seperate characters. You could have this problem with any players. I subscribe to the idea that a person plays a character for their own enjoyment, not yours. Forcing them to play something they dont want to defeats the point of playing in their minds (it would in mind). What happens when the cynical, self serving drow rogue type of PC's gets the thumbs down? (Im sick of his con artist, smug attitude. It's the same thing with all his characters. He's always a smart ass.). Its the same scenario, it does not have to be becasue he is a "paladin". Unless of course the gourp consists of people who feel "paladins" are annoying in general regardless of who plays them and feel they can't role play their own characters with him in the party. I disagree, it would take time/effort and could be fun, but just my opinion. But forcing him into no win situations is not a good idea to solve this problem which could happen again and again. He picks a fighter, or mage and acts the same way. He just finds a way to maximize/power game with their abilites. But your still playing with the same character he just traded in his armor and two handed sword for robes and a staff. Same guy. I would ask him if he thinks he can play a different type of personality, and bring up opportunites that a paladin could not have becasue he is so restricted (LG only). At least ask him to TRY and play a diffferent class, and more importantly a different PERSONALITY. (THe roll play vs. role play) Can you try that for us? If it doesnt work you can go back to your paladin but you have to give it an honest effort, and not let people ride him about his new character. It would take some time if he is as adament as you say. If he wont compromise then i would say its him, not his character. [/QUOTE]

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