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<blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 463267" data-attributes="member: 5724">Well, my honest answer is that they're pretty much the type of people we (being the typical non-establishment outsider gamer type) think are jerks.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />mostly because they're zealots, and RL zealots are a pain in the butt to deal with.. even the good zealots&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />other than that, i think people slam on paladins because it is the only class thats dependant upon maintaining a, somewhat unilluminating, code as well as maintaining both a particular structure (law/chaos axis) and morality (good/evil axis). Other classes may have to maintain one of the two, structure or morality, but not both. as everyone knows, the defination of the above is tremendously variable (which i find damn funny, considering its should be well-defined to promote accurate role-playing, since it is a requirement for the class) and unlike most other classes, paladins cannot efortlessly (or at least with little effort <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) slide from one campaign to another because every player/DM has subtle variations about what would constitute a &quot;violation&quot; of the paladin's code or alignment.I also dont like the fact that paladins have a code.&nbsp; this to me seems a little to campaign specific.&nbsp; 'course i dont like the druid and the monk for this either.&nbsp; all the other classes are very free with possibilities.&nbsp; Paladins, druids and monks are a bit more pigeonholed and a bit to campaign specific for me.as everyone knows, i'm a big 'ol moral relativist (funny because im also a absolutionist... advantage of not having a western mindset&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) so if you want to flame me again about paladins start a new thread cause this ain't the place to do it.&nbsp; this doesn't refer to you shark, i pretty much assume your a non-flamer..&nbsp; hehejoe b.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgbrowning, post: 463267, member: 5724"] Well, my honest answer is that they're pretty much the type of people we (being the typical non-establishment outsider gamer type) think are jerks. :) mostly because they're zealots, and RL zealots are a pain in the butt to deal with.. even the good zealots :) other than that, i think people slam on paladins because it is the only class thats dependant upon maintaining a, somewhat unilluminating, code as well as maintaining both a particular structure (law/chaos axis) and morality (good/evil axis). Other classes may have to maintain one of the two, structure or morality, but not both. as everyone knows, the defination of the above is tremendously variable (which i find damn funny, considering its [i]should[/i] be well-defined to promote accurate role-playing, since it is a requirement for the class) and unlike most other classes, paladins cannot efortlessly (or at least with little effort :) ) slide from one campaign to another because every player/DM has subtle variations about what would constitute a "violation" of the paladin's code or alignment. I also dont like the fact that paladins have a code. this to me seems a little to campaign specific. 'course i dont like the druid and the monk for this either. all the other classes are [i]very[/i] free with possibilities. Paladins, druids and monks are a bit more pigeonholed and a bit to campaign specific for me. as everyone knows, i'm a big 'ol moral relativist (funny because im also a absolutionist... advantage of not having a western mindset :)) so if you want to flame me again about paladins start a new thread cause this ain't the place to do it. this doesn't refer to you shark, i pretty much assume your a non-flamer.. hehe joe b. [/QUOTE]

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