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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 463382" data-attributes="member: 4937">Humph.  That sort of proselytizing just begs a response.Sounds to me like people slam on paladins because in our current society it is the 'outsiders', 'disenters', and a 'rebels' who are honored by default as heroes by the vast majority of the establishment.  It is the majority view that the person with the minority view is usually in the right.  It is the majority view that it is braver to speak out than to follow someones lead.  It is the majority view that the defenders of morality are more immoral than the defenders of ammorality.   It has become a easier thing to attack 'the establishment' than defend it, because the dissident expects to have the herd rush to defend him.  Funny how the establishment has packaged your angst and sold it back to you.  Sounds to me like the real reason you slam on paladins is because your are fanaticly chaotic, or at least like to think you are.Yes, I'm different just like everyone else.I listen to alternative music...just like everyone else.I a misanthrope...just like everyone else.I hate the establishment...just like everyone else.I'm a disident...just like everyone else.I dis Western everything...just like everyone else.See me excercise my open minded free thinking...just like everyone else.Yeah yeah, I've heard this tired song before.  Your smilies (among other things) betray the fact that you are part of the main stream herd and seeking its approval.You know what I think.   Anyone who says that Paladins are jerks because they are fanatics, have codes, and are lawful, and that RL fanatics, people that have codes, and/or are lawful are jerks, sounds alot like a fanatic to me.   Who are _you_ trying to convert?Anyway, I'm not really trying to flame you, just point out how uninteresting it is to dislike a class because it has beliefs different than your own.   How how interesting or even relevant would it be for me to slam on Assassines and Blackguards as classes just because I thought evil people were jerks?  Just because you prefer to populate your world only with things that fit within your narrow code doesn't mean we all should. And the typical objection to evil PC's is based on that they wouldn't get along well with the rest of the party because the default assumption is that heroes are 'good'.   All you have really said is that your default assumption is that the heroes (and/or the players) will be chaotic and thus lawful characters would be disruptive ('jerks', to use your stronger phrase').</blockquote>

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