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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 463791" data-attributes="member: 4937">jgb: HA! If I am having knee jerk reactions, then I'm not the only one.Now, if you HAVEN'T said that you are a typical non-establishment outsider gamer in the above statement, please let me know.  If anything in the above statement rings of assumption to me, is that you have the right to use the word 'we', since as far as I know of his beliefs, SHARK is most certainly not 'a typical non-establishement outsider gamer type' nor is that set of beliefs common to all of your readers no matter how many smilie faces you add to the end of the statement.   If you do not wish for people to make assumptions about your personality do not explicitly state that you are a sterotype in order to establish a connection with your audience.  After all, what you are really saying in the above statement is 'I'm one of you, and I have these attributes, and you can draw many useful conclusions about my beliefs and behavior from that relationship, and among those things is that Paladins are the sort of people we mutually dislike'.You are identifying yourself, and identifying yourself with a group so don't blame me for doing so.   And in any event, what makes you think that I hate that group.  I hate them no more or less than I hate, well, Paladins.  If anything, I find them amusing.  The only thing that ever bothers me about either is when they get really self-righteousness - which just oozes in your language whether you know it or not (which is probably the pot calling the kettle black I know).And as for my specific accusations against you, I didn't just pull them out of the air.  You own post contains them.What does anti-establishment mean if not dissidence?You associate Zealotry, a word rich in negative conatation, not with ideology in general, but with the particular (non-good) portion of the ideology of Paladinhood. You then add the aside that the code of Paladinhood is particularly 'non-illuminating'.You note that you believe Paladin are 'not free with possibilities', a phrase that richly describes what you clearly believe to be 'good' and which you assume does not extend to Paladins - which I find to be a debatable statement.   Do you claim NOT to be an 'open minded free thinker'?Explain to me how my assumption that you are a moral relativist is unwarranted again?  Ahh... explain to me how my assumption that you think there is some enherent inferiority in having a 'western mindset' is unwarranted again?Look, the point is this.  Sure, I mocked a certain mentality (which you may or may not have, but which I think there is good reason to think you have based on the fact you asked the reader to identify you with it) and I certainly did not fairly treat it as a valid way to view things, but no more so than you just mistreated the philophical beliefs of Paladins or people whose believes are thier real life equivalents.  And you, once so attacked, quite predicatably responded by coiling up and disdainfully claiming your emotional and mental maturity over anyone who would dare mock that set of beliefs.  I'm only suprised you didn't use the words 'shocked' and 'disappointed'.  The fact of the matter is that I said very little about you that you didn't say about yourself, I just merely set it in a scoffing tone and that is what is really bothering you I think - or do you wish to deny that you are a moral realtivist who holds a non-western anti-establishment world view?  Do you wish to retract that you are 'typical' and a 'outsider'?</blockquote>

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