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<blockquote data-quote="Feyd Rautha" data-source="post: 1540399" data-attributes="member: 19364">To do it without adding a bunch of additional rules into the mix (i.e. just using what is in the core rulebooks):-Use humanoid races such as Troglodytes or Bugbears.&nbsp; These have more base hit points and higher ACs.-Remember that zombies can charge.&nbsp; So much of when I've seen zombies not work is when the GM didn't allow them to charge.-Have the zombies grapple.&nbsp; Yeah they'll take AoOs, but with their damage reduction and the small number of one handed slashing weapons by grappling they get a good advantage.-Numbers.&nbsp; Zombies don't care about attrition and the people who send them certainly don't they don't care if you've killed 1000 of them before they'll keep coming.&nbsp; An encounter with roving packs of hundreds of zombies would make even the most stalwart of parties think twice.&nbsp; Yeah the wizard will slaughter them wholesale with his blaster spells, but he'll run out...The fighter may cleave through them like a knife through butter, but eight touch attacks with flanking will lead to at least a handful of grapples as more zombies rush in to attack.&nbsp; Also, keep in mind that due to their low CR you can put that many of them on a high level encounter.-Unhallow the area thus boosting their turn resistance a bunch.&nbsp; Better yet is to remove turning.&nbsp; I've been in many a party without a cleric where we fought undead...it's always tougher.&nbsp; You could have there be a tear in the power of the gods and this &quot;godless&quot; place is causing the dead to walk the earth since their souls are not able to leave.&nbsp; Since it is untouched by the gods clerical powers won't work there or they are absorbed like pouring a shot glass into a dry car washing sponge.-Pair the regular zombies with an uber zombie of a huge or colossal creature.&nbsp; They will focus on the colossal zombie while the other zombies grapple away wanting brains...&nbsp; As the colossal zombie falls and the group is winded then have the other zombies attack in earnest.Hope those ideas help.Peace,</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Feyd Rautha, post: 1540399, member: 19364"] To do it without adding a bunch of additional rules into the mix (i.e. just using what is in the core rulebooks): -Use humanoid races such as Troglodytes or Bugbears. These have more base hit points and higher ACs. -Remember that zombies can charge. So much of when I've seen zombies not work is when the GM didn't allow them to charge. -Have the zombies grapple. Yeah they'll take AoOs, but with their damage reduction and the small number of one handed slashing weapons by grappling they get a good advantage. -Numbers. Zombies don't care about attrition and the people who send them certainly don't they don't care if you've killed 1000 of them before they'll keep coming. An encounter with roving packs of hundreds of zombies would make even the most stalwart of parties think twice. Yeah the wizard will slaughter them wholesale with his blaster spells, but he'll run out...The fighter may cleave through them like a knife through butter, but eight touch attacks with flanking will lead to at least a handful of grapples as more zombies rush in to attack. Also, keep in mind that due to their low CR you can put that many of them on a high level encounter. -Unhallow the area thus boosting their turn resistance a bunch. Better yet is to remove turning. I've been in many a party without a cleric where we fought undead...it's always tougher. You could have there be a tear in the power of the gods and this "godless" place is causing the dead to walk the earth since their souls are not able to leave. Since it is untouched by the gods clerical powers won't work there or they are absorbed like pouring a shot glass into a dry car washing sponge. -Pair the regular zombies with an uber zombie of a huge or colossal creature. They will focus on the colossal zombie while the other zombies grapple away wanting brains... As the colossal zombie falls and the group is winded then have the other zombies attack in earnest. Hope those ideas help. Peace, [/QUOTE]

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