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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7306733" data-attributes="member: 97077">Thanks! As I said, I'm not immune to persuasion, but ours is a game where the players aren't trying persuade me. So it's a non-issue. The &quot;gaming the DM&quot; argument is really only applicable to bad faith play. I'm sorry that I used to try to conflate it with good faith play at one point in order to criticize how other people play.It's not that elaborate in my view. Compared to the last two editions anyway. And you speak as if I'm not using the Middle Path which balances out granting automatic success with calling for rolls. After all, the player would have to perform a task that is so free of conflict and stress that there's no chance of failure while avoiding doing anything in appropriate or impossible. How often do you suppose they have such utter control over a dangerous adventuring environment to see that to fruition? Perhaps it's not as often as you think. In fact, it rather seems like you believe we're not referencing the mechanics at all in my games. I can assure you that's not the case.I didn't.The original poster wanted to know how to get cinematically charismatic characters at the table. The approach I use sorts that out without doing anything outside of what the Basic Rules and DMG recommends and is also applicable to combat and exploration challenges.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7306733, member: 97077"] Thanks! As I said, I'm not immune to persuasion, but ours is a game where the players aren't trying persuade me. So it's a non-issue. The "gaming the DM" argument is really only applicable to bad faith play. I'm sorry that I used to try to conflate it with good faith play at one point in order to criticize how other people play. It's not that elaborate in my view. Compared to the last two editions anyway. And you speak as if I'm not using the Middle Path which balances out granting automatic success with calling for rolls. After all, the player would have to perform a task that is so free of conflict and stress that there's no chance of failure while avoiding doing anything in appropriate or impossible. How often do you suppose they have such utter control over a dangerous adventuring environment to see that to fruition? Perhaps it's not as often as you think. In fact, it rather seems like you believe we're not referencing the mechanics at all in my games. I can assure you that's not the case. I didn't. The original poster wanted to know how to get cinematically charismatic characters at the table. The approach I use sorts that out without doing anything outside of what the Basic Rules and DMG recommends and is also applicable to combat and exploration challenges. [/QUOTE]

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