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<blockquote data-quote="Gargoyle" data-source="post: 6107413" data-attributes="member: 529">Now I'm trying to figure out whether I have a low Int or low Wis.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />Perhaps there is no flaw and I'm just too thick to understand it.&nbsp; I guess one thing is the way I'm thinking about it.When I read the rule initially, I thought of this sort of scenario:Cleric:&nbsp; Ok, I am searching for a book that will reveal the location of the secret door. DM:&nbsp; Because you are looking, roll Int.&nbsp; (Cleric fails)Wizard:&nbsp; I'll look for it.&nbsp; (Wizard easily rolls high)DM:&nbsp; You realize that the shelves are organized in alphabetical order, but in Dwarven...and you find a strange tome that may help.While that scenario is still weird to me, and seems wrong, the following one comes to mind now and makes me feel better about it.DM:&nbsp; You enter a room full of knicknacks and clutter.&nbsp; (Secretly rolls Wisdom check for Cleric, the person with the highest Wisdom).&nbsp;&nbsp; Cleric, you see a book on the table that seems to be out of place.Cleric:&nbsp; Hmm a book.&nbsp; I read it.&nbsp; DM:&nbsp; It appears to be a puzzle where you must find the picture of a wizardly looking fellow with the exotic name of &quot;Waldo&quot;.Cleric:&nbsp; Ok, I search through the book and try to find this &quot;Waldo&quot;.&nbsp; Perhaps doing so will magically reveal the secret door we are looking for.DM:&nbsp; You fail to find Waldo.Wizard:&nbsp; I look through the book over his shoulder.DM:&nbsp; You easily find Waldo in the mass of strangely dressed characters.Better, partly because most of the time Wisdom checks will be secretly rolled by the DM anyway IMO, and I do like the idea of this sort of teamwork.Thanks for the input.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gargoyle, post: 6107413, member: 529"] Now I'm trying to figure out whether[B] I[/B] have a low Int or low Wis. :erm: Perhaps there is no flaw and I'm just too thick to understand it. I guess one thing is the way I'm thinking about it. When I read the rule initially, I thought of this sort of scenario: Cleric: Ok, I am searching for a book that will reveal the location of the secret door. DM: Because you are looking, roll Int. (Cleric fails) Wizard: I'll look for it. (Wizard easily rolls high) DM: You realize that the shelves are organized in alphabetical order, but in Dwarven...and you find a strange tome that may help. While that scenario is still weird to me, and seems wrong, the following one comes to mind now and makes me feel better about it. DM: You enter a room full of knicknacks and clutter. (Secretly rolls Wisdom check for Cleric, the person with the highest Wisdom). Cleric, you see a book on the table that seems to be out of place. Cleric: Hmm a book. I read it. DM: It appears to be a puzzle where you must find the picture of a wizardly looking fellow with the exotic name of "Waldo". Cleric: Ok, I search through the book and try to find this "Waldo". Perhaps doing so will magically reveal the secret door we are looking for. DM: You fail to find Waldo. Wizard: I look through the book over his shoulder. DM: You easily find Waldo in the mass of strangely dressed characters. Better, partly because most of the time Wisdom checks will be secretly rolled by the DM anyway IMO, and I do like the idea of this sort of teamwork. Thanks for the input. [/QUOTE]

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