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<blockquote data-quote="tylermalan" data-source="post: 5646398" data-attributes="member: 30929">You're still missing the point, prosfilaes, and are arguing points that just don't matter.Let's just cut the bull - for some reason, you don't want to admit that this is a purely social problem.&nbsp; Fine.&nbsp; Maybe you just want to argue, I don't know.The point is that this has nothing to do with metagaming.&nbsp; They don't want to kick him out purely because he's a metagamer.&nbsp; And in fact, I agree with you - in my first post in this thread, I said that punishing a metagamer is silly.&nbsp; My underlying point was that if you really want to punish someone, not only does that mean you probably just don't like them, but also that the punishment doled out won't make you enjoy your time with this person any more.I understand that the question of metagaming is fair game, and that's why I said &quot;I understand the purpose of this board is to discuss the game...&quot; in reference to the discussions on Charm Person.&nbsp; But I view this as the true hijack - I don't have a problem with you or anyone else who discussed Charm Person.&nbsp; I was merely expressing my disdain at how many people don't see that this is pointless discourse because this problem, this group, this player, and the OP's ultimate question has nothing to do with the game that they're all playing.&nbsp; They could be playing any other game, or doing any other activity.They aren't considering punishing this guy because he's a metagamer.&nbsp; His metagamer tendencies are an expression of personality traits that, for whatever reason, don't jive with the rest of the OP's group.&nbsp; That's all it is.&nbsp; These personality traits, being inherent, would express themselves in other ways if they were playing a different game.&nbsp; In turn, they want to give him the boot because they don't get along - and they should.&nbsp; Not only would the group likely be happier without this guy, but this guy would probably be happier with another group.&nbsp; How silly to say that the OP doesn't know what the real problem is - of course he knows what the problem is.&nbsp; Do you need someone to tell you when you don't like another person?&nbsp; I simply don't think that their fun game of D&amp;D amongst friends should turn into either a therapy session for the friends (in which they all come to realize that they are truly the problem) or a rehabilitation clinic for the outsider (during which he realizes the error of his ways and makes a 180 in his personality).&nbsp; It won't happen, and the true answer is far more simple.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tylermalan, post: 5646398, member: 30929"] You're still missing the point, prosfilaes, and are arguing points that just don't matter. Let's just cut the bull - for some reason, you don't want to admit that this is a purely social problem. Fine. Maybe you just want to argue, I don't know. The point is that this has nothing to do with metagaming. They don't want to kick him out purely because he's a metagamer. And in fact, I agree with you - in my first post in this thread, I said that punishing a metagamer is silly. My underlying point was that if you really want to punish someone, not only does that mean you probably just don't like them, but also that the punishment doled out won't make you enjoy your time with this person any more. I understand that the question of metagaming is fair game, and that's why I said "I understand the purpose of this board is to discuss the game..." in reference to the discussions on Charm Person. But I view [I]this[/I] as the true hijack - I don't have a problem with you or anyone else who discussed Charm Person. I was merely expressing my disdain at how many people don't see that this is pointless discourse because this problem, this group, this player, and the OP's ultimate question has nothing to do with the game that they're all playing. They could be playing any other game, or doing any other activity. They aren't considering punishing this guy because he's a metagamer. His metagamer tendencies are an expression of personality traits that, for whatever reason, don't jive with the rest of the OP's group. That's all it is. These personality traits, being inherent, would express themselves in other ways if they were playing a different game. In turn, they want to give him the boot because they don't get along - and they should. Not only would the group likely be happier without this guy, but this guy would probably be happier with another group. How silly to say that the OP doesn't know what the real problem is - of [I]course[/I] he knows what the problem is. Do [I]you[/I] need someone to tell you when you don't like another person? I simply don't think that their fun game of D&D amongst friends should turn into either a therapy session for the friends (in which they all come to realize that they are truly the problem) or a rehabilitation clinic for the outsider (during which he realizes the error of his ways and makes a 180 in his personality). It won't happen, and the true answer is far more simple. [/QUOTE]

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