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<blockquote data-quote="Coroc" data-source="post: 7868697" data-attributes="member: 6895991">Regarding 2. I absolutely wanted orcs for their CE alignment and not LE Hobgoblins because Iuz is CE.Otoh I wanted them to be rather like hobgoblins. Their chaotic traits come out by other things. Remember 2e drow were also CE, still they had their rules and their organized society, the chaotic for them was &quot;break the rules and do not get caught&quot; and everything is fine.Yes, to all of your statements, and the 5e standard orc is mechanically only dangerous to a level 1 party.But to make just a green colored human out of it is the other end of a player playing an elf as a human with pointy ears. To me and my table RP in RPG has some meaning and that requires that an orc is an orc with all his cruelty, disgusting behavior and whatever else traits.It is a mob who will not hesitate to eat you raw if he is hungry after defeating the party in battle. That fact is independent of his only 12 HP or what have you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Coroc, post: 7868697, member: 6895991"] Regarding 2. I absolutely wanted orcs for their CE alignment and not LE Hobgoblins because Iuz is CE. Otoh I wanted them to be rather like hobgoblins. Their chaotic traits come out by other things. Remember 2e drow were also CE, still they had their rules and their organized society, the chaotic for them was "break the rules and do not get caught" and everything is fine. Yes, to all of your statements, and the 5e standard orc is mechanically only dangerous to a level 1 party. But to make just a green colored human out of it is the other end of a player playing an elf as a human with pointy ears. To me and my table RP in RPG has some meaning and that requires that an orc is an orc with all his cruelty, disgusting behavior and whatever else traits. It is a mob who will not hesitate to eat you raw if he is hungry after defeating the party in battle. That fact is independent of his only 12 HP or what have you. [/QUOTE]

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