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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 463635" data-attributes="member: 5889">Illusion really are a dm's perogative of how effective they are, and in many cases it depends on the level of the illusion spell.For example, with silent image, your not getting any thermal benefits, so when the guys touched the wall, they should get a preety big bonus because the wall doesn't feel like a wall. But if they are just running their hands along it, that's not incontroversiable proof in my mind. They expect the wall to be there, and so their hand feels like it is, although it would be a very smooth wall. But if they started beating on the wall or tried to go through it, they would pass right through it save or not, and that's incontroversiable proof.Now the bonus you give them should depend on the image spell. For example, major image gives thermal effects. If you created a wall that was glowing red hot, and someone tried to touch it it would feel really hot, and they probably would definately belief it was real (normal will save, no bonus).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 463635, member: 5889"] Illusion really are a dm's perogative of how effective they are, and in many cases it depends on the level of the illusion spell. For example, with silent image, your not getting any thermal benefits, so when the guys touched the wall, they should get a preety big bonus because the wall doesn't feel like a wall. But if they are just running their hands along it, that's not incontroversiable proof in my mind. They expect the wall to be there, and so their hand feels like it is, although it would be a very smooth wall. But if they started beating on the wall or tried to go through it, they would pass right through it save or not, and that's incontroversiable proof. Now the bonus you give them should depend on the image spell. For example, major image gives thermal effects. If you created a wall that was glowing red hot, and someone tried to touch it it would feel really hot, and they probably would definately belief it was real (normal will save, no bonus). [/QUOTE]

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