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How to run a criminal organization in a City with 8th level spells?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dessert Nomad" data-source="post: 7522982" data-attributes="member: 6976536"><p>If you actually have a society where Zone of Truth is routinely, aggressively used and relied upon, a successful conspiracy might well have a bunch of members who believe things that quietly negate the typical meanings of words. Followers who believe in an unusual cult religion or legal theory could be extremely useful, because they'd be able to give answers that they consider truthful but that aren't actually true, which could confound investigators relying on the spell. </p><p></p><p>There's a loose group of people in the US who refer to themselves as "Freemen of the Land" and believe that the law only applies to them if they consent to it. Part of this belief is the concept that each person has two 'entities', their real person and a fictitious legal "strawman" that their birth certificate references, and that one uses slightly different names to refer to the two, like "John Smith" for the legal entity and "John of the family Smith" for the real person. There's also a general idea of laws not being valid unless you consent to them. And they fervently believe all of this even though it's all nonsense that has never been upheld in a court of law. If you put one of them in a zone of truth and asked "Did you kill/murder John Smith", they could always answer no because they believe that "John Smith" is just a legal fiction and so couldn't possibly be murdered or killed, and that "John of the Family Smith" is the actual person. Even if they killed him, they might avoid the 'murder' question if they believe that it could only be murder if they consent to the murder law, and they haven't done so. </p><p></p><p>This would be a good secret for an outside investigator to sort out, as it's reasonable to assume that Zone of Truth dependent investigators would be used to the spell working for them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dessert Nomad, post: 7522982, member: 6976536"] If you actually have a society where Zone of Truth is routinely, aggressively used and relied upon, a successful conspiracy might well have a bunch of members who believe things that quietly negate the typical meanings of words. Followers who believe in an unusual cult religion or legal theory could be extremely useful, because they'd be able to give answers that they consider truthful but that aren't actually true, which could confound investigators relying on the spell. There's a loose group of people in the US who refer to themselves as "Freemen of the Land" and believe that the law only applies to them if they consent to it. Part of this belief is the concept that each person has two 'entities', their real person and a fictitious legal "strawman" that their birth certificate references, and that one uses slightly different names to refer to the two, like "John Smith" for the legal entity and "John of the family Smith" for the real person. There's also a general idea of laws not being valid unless you consent to them. And they fervently believe all of this even though it's all nonsense that has never been upheld in a court of law. If you put one of them in a zone of truth and asked "Did you kill/murder John Smith", they could always answer no because they believe that "John Smith" is just a legal fiction and so couldn't possibly be murdered or killed, and that "John of the Family Smith" is the actual person. Even if they killed him, they might avoid the 'murder' question if they believe that it could only be murder if they consent to the murder law, and they haven't done so. This would be a good secret for an outside investigator to sort out, as it's reasonable to assume that Zone of Truth dependent investigators would be used to the spell working for them. [/QUOTE]
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