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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8976985" data-attributes="member: 93670">5e takes the design elements that might make limited ammo meaningful & designs them in a way that makes them self nullify their impact.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What negative thing happens if you don't store your arrows in a quiver?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nothing with no downside because 5e left out container rules</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What negative thing happens if you do store them in a quiver but feel like you need two or three or five quivers filled with arrows?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nothing because body slot rules were left out so the quiver isn't competing with anything including other quivers.  If the GM wants to fight to limit a PC to one quiver there is basically nothing in the rules to help support that GM or even present an obstacle for a player if the player feels that carrying multiple quivers is a thing they can do.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What negative thing happens if the ranged character with multiple quivers has low strength?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">absolutely nothing because on top of failing to include container or body slot rules 5e went a step further & included carry capacity rules that are so generous they don't really even start to matter unless somehow the majority of the group has strength well under 8 & even then it probably won't much matter due to the excess.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What negative thing happens if you need to spend large amounts on arrows?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nothing because arrows are incredibly cheap even for low level PCs and PCs of any level don't need to spend money on improving gear or whatever.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shooting into melee penalties?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gone</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Range increments?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gone..  disadvantage at long range but that's not only multiple chessex mats but often multiple physical tables worth of distance...</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Shooting through cover<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"screw that I have sharpshooter"</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">GM sez "you can't see that far" or similar<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Again nothing in the rules supports this pure naked disarm by GM fiat.</li> </ul></li> </ul></blockquote>

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