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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7798836" data-attributes="member: 6795602">It's still at the 1pc vs multiple npc level.&nbsp; Just because I beat one orc shouldn't mean they all should fail to see me.&nbsp; Just because I fail to beat one orc doesn't mean they all should fail to see me.&nbsp; That's the flaw with the book prescribed 5e method as you and I understand it.The solution is to not worry about which individual orcs you beat and to have the mechanics work out what happens in the scene (in a broad general sense) and let the DM fill in the specifics.&nbsp; The current 5e approach doesn't do that.&nbsp; Instead it attempts to fill in details about who spotted you and fails at doing that in any meaningful way, (either they all spot you are none do).My approach differs because I'm setting a DC based on the scene (not based on the NPC).&nbsp; Failure simply means you are spotted.&nbsp; The DM could have all the orcs spot you, only a handful, only 1.&nbsp; The book method fails to deliver that kind of detail.&nbsp; You either beat all or none.&nbsp; (Barring advantage or disadvantage).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7798836, member: 6795602"] It's still at the 1pc vs multiple npc level. Just because I beat one orc shouldn't mean they all should fail to see me. Just because I fail to beat one orc doesn't mean they all should fail to see me. That's the flaw with the book prescribed 5e method as you and I understand it. The solution is to not worry about which individual orcs you beat and to have the mechanics work out what happens in the scene (in a broad general sense) and let the DM fill in the specifics. The current 5e approach doesn't do that. Instead it attempts to fill in details about who spotted you and fails at doing that in any meaningful way, (either they all spot you are none do). My approach differs because I'm setting a DC based on the scene (not based on the NPC). Failure simply means you are spotted. The DM could have all the orcs spot you, only a handful, only 1. The book method fails to deliver that kind of detail. You either beat all or none. (Barring advantage or disadvantage). [/QUOTE]

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