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How to skill check (and why 5e got stealth wrong)
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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7798898" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>I'm suggesting that basing it on an NPC statblock is incorrect. When you aren't being challenged by an NPC but instead by the scenario then the DC is set for the scenario.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you are using scenario based DC, but incorrectly equating it to the orc passive perception every time. The scenario presented could be much harder than an Orc's passive perception dc, in which case using the passive perception of an orc for the DC makes success easier than it ought to be. That's the problem with how you specifically are doing it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. There's no set answer to what to do. It's a failure and obviously he's spotted. I might have it be by a random patrol, in which case he gets chased by them without the whole camp being alerted. I might have it be by a single guard in the tower, who leaves his post to discretely tell his superiors about the approacher without ringing alarm bells so as to not spook him away (goal of capturing PC). Or maybe 3-4 see him and one of them sounds an alarm. </p><p></p><p>In terms of a close success and low roll failure, there doesn't have to be a difference. If I wanted to give the PC an extra chance on the close success, maybe the guard thought he seen something but wasn't sure and is staring out there. I'd probably give the rogue a chance to notice this, which would allow him an opportunity to back off or to take cover and wait for the guard to be distracted again, or to be oblivious and continue on till he is surely spotted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7798898, member: 6795602"] I'm suggesting that basing it on an NPC statblock is incorrect. When you aren't being challenged by an NPC but instead by the scenario then the DC is set for the scenario. Then you are using scenario based DC, but incorrectly equating it to the orc passive perception every time. The scenario presented could be much harder than an Orc's passive perception dc, in which case using the passive perception of an orc for the DC makes success easier than it ought to be. That's the problem with how you specifically are doing it. Sure. There's no set answer to what to do. It's a failure and obviously he's spotted. I might have it be by a random patrol, in which case he gets chased by them without the whole camp being alerted. I might have it be by a single guard in the tower, who leaves his post to discretely tell his superiors about the approacher without ringing alarm bells so as to not spook him away (goal of capturing PC). Or maybe 3-4 see him and one of them sounds an alarm. In terms of a close success and low roll failure, there doesn't have to be a difference. If I wanted to give the PC an extra chance on the close success, maybe the guard thought he seen something but wasn't sure and is staring out there. I'd probably give the rogue a chance to notice this, which would allow him an opportunity to back off or to take cover and wait for the guard to be distracted again, or to be oblivious and continue on till he is surely spotted. [/QUOTE]
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